I get that pics would help but can't post a link or photos since I'm a newb here.

 

If anyone would be willing to post the link to my Photobucket, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks

 

Two suggestions:

- Use Hagerty's valuation tool to get a sense of the selling price of Giulia spiders (I assume this thing is a spider). See: https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1964-Alfa_Romeo-Giulia-Spider?id=146318 Based on the modifications to the body, my guess is that the car in question is worth less than a #4 car.

- Go to the Classic Alfa website to see what sheetmetal is available and what it will cost. See: 750-101 Parts - 750/101 Body - Classic Alfa

New front end sheetmetal is available, but it isn't cheap. The part pictured below is priced at 2,314 US$ and shipping will be costly unless you happen to live in Croydon, UK.

If anyone would be willing to post the link to my Photobucket, it would be much appreciated.

Sure, send me a PM with the link and I'll post it here.

 

Most all the parts are available but you will spend a lot of time searching for things big and small. There are many suppliers now especially in Europe .

Re originals-in Texas has a lot
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Before spending too much time, try and determine why the "conversion" was made. If it was to repair a wreck, there may be structural issues that need to be attended to

Your car will be a 101 series car-it shares a few parts with the 750 series. If its a guilia, it should have a 1600/5 speed and therefore thedrivetrain is pretty interchangeable with the later 105 series cars. The mechanics will be the least of your concerns-

I have a 101 and a 105 and a 115. Parts, especially body-are significantly harder to find and the smaller numbers of cars made translates into fewer cars needing restoration and consequently prices will be higher.I've seen photos of what I believe is your car-either here or on BringaTrailer and it did not sell. The car has to be cheap in order to make any sense.

You can offset some of the sting of $$$ by selling the Duetto parts if they are in good condition.

 

If the car needs a whole nose sounds like you're in for a lot of bodywork. In most cases it's cheaper and easier in the long run to buy a better car than get into heavy body repair and paint. Of course, if something specifically appeals to you about this car and/or you want the project, great. But it may not be cheaper, even doing your own work. I do understand the appeal of spending money over time rather than all at once. Seems cheaper even if it isn't; money is largely psychological.

Further, Giulietta prices are off now. A couple years ago seemed like even Normales were all headed over $100K, but there are plenty decent cars now for half that.

I can post pics for you if you have any and send them to me. Send me a PM if you want and we can work out.

Andrew

 

Thanks for replying. The car in question is not on the open market. It's belongs to good friend of mine. He has owned it since the late 60s. He brought it back from Italy when he was stationed there. I will try and send a photobucket link so one of you guys can post them. The car appears pretty solid and has all of the original parts aside from the front end conversion. Thanks again for the help.
Kirk

 

Well. Apparently I need 10 posts to send PMs as well. Lol. I guess I need to build my post count.

 

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Here's a link to my photobucket.

Alfa by bgyglfr | Photobucket

 

The degree of difficulty and the amount of work required is really all going to depend on what was done to the sheet metal making up the engine compartment. The car has value to your friend and your friend has value to you. Se, it's really going to depend on what you both feel comfortable with. To me, the price of that car is whatever the sum of the parts is worth.

You'll not just need the sheet metal, but there are plenty of other expensive pieces that will need to be sourced. I would inventory everything, first. See what's missing to make the car what you want.

 

Some major work there, well back into the fenders and engine compartment. Was this change precipitated by taste, accident, something else?
I see fender flares too. If you like them, OK, but they'd be a market detraction on sale.
Andrew

 

Agreed. My interest is in going original as I think they have a beautiful look to them and I've been craving the Italian sound and driving experience. The car is solid and is really complete minus the front end situation. Is there a parts breakdown or image somewhere? Something I can use to compare what's there vs what should be. My assumption is it will need everything forward of the firewall inner and outer sheetmetal.

 

I've been craving the Italian sound and driving experience.

Satisfying that craving will be easy - just buy a running, driving Alfa spider. You will be on the road sooner and for less money by buying a finished car, instead of taking on this project. And yes, I understand that you plan on doing all the labor yourself.

My interest is in going original as I think they have a beautiful look to them... My assumption is it will need everything forward of the firewall inner and outer sheetmetal.

That car will never be original again. I was picturing a Giulia spider with slightly modified headlights; instead it looks like a complete Duetto front end was grafted on. Plus the wheel arches have been modified. And the engine isn't installed (does it still fit?). Lots of sheetmetal pieces will need to be sourced or fabricated.

One issue is that few of these sheetmetal parts are being reproduced. "No problem" you say - "I'll just get a parts car". The fallacy in that reasoning is that any decent parts car is going to be a better starting point for a project than this Duetto-Giulia mashup.

I know it's your friend's car and I know you have already mentally committed to it, but I really think this is a poor candidate for an original restoration, regardless of its price.

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Original parts book will show you how the body originally fit together, but it was all welded, hammered, leaded into one unit. See the picture of the nose piece above, that's about where the seam would be on the fenders. Inner body pieces are going to be tougher, probably have to be made or come off a parts car.
Andrew

 

The work was done in the late 60s in Italy before my friend bought the car. It's hard to know why they did it. There's no blatant evidence of an accident.

 

I'm not afraid of the labor/welding/body work. My biggest concern is how much money it will take to source the proper sheet metal. $10k wouldn't scare me off $25k is another story.

 

For reference, not saying this is comparable to you car's status. A few years ago I bought a 58 Normale for $9000. Ran and shifted. Brakes poor, big dent in the LR fender, nose slightly dented, trunk floor rusty. A restorer friend and I did all the body work except paint. Good paint shop did the final finishing, blocking, paint. I spent a million hours on it, a few thousand dollars for parts, upholstery, top, the things I couldn't do. I ended up having almost $30K in the car aside from my thousands of hours and my shop friend's dozens. At a retail level, that would have been a $100,000 cost at least. Sold it on the open market for just under $50K a couple years ago. The economics of this kind of work don't add up unless you want to do it or want a specific car.

So what this car is worth, dunno. But the work involved to fix it will likely be way more than the initial cost.

Andrew

 

I agree. My thiught is around $10k for it. I want to be fair to my friend. We do all of our own restoration work so my labor investment would be a little different than most.

 

Maybe you are right. We have climbed bigger hills in the past but the cars I've done are very near six figures when finished. Parts are easier to com by as well.

 

Well, I don't want to come across as a party pooper - I'll confess to taking on some impractical projects in my younger days. But yea, a Giulia spider (and this one is probably a normale) won't have nearly the value of a 911 when complete.

105 series Alfas have better body parts availability than the 750/101 series - probably not as good as a 911 - but better. If you were evaluating a Duetto with a Giulia front end grafted on, I might be more optimistic.

Without actually seeing the car, it's tough to estimate how much work it will need. But the body modifications seem extensive, so I'm guessing that it will take a lot of parts & labor to undo them. The missing windshield, and uninstalled engine are further evidence of potential problems.

 

Climbing mountains is best left to mountain climbers when a furnicular is available. If we rescued every wanting puppy, we would be the MSPCA.

 

It's a "special" with history, better restoring "as is" than taking back to factory condition.