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Hello to you all.

I am reading the book of da Prato Alfa Romeo TZ -TZ 2.

On the last page there is a family tree.

At the button almost on the roots of the tree is there 3 fallen blades.

On the right side there I the 2 Aguzzoli Condor Alfa_Romeo that had its debut on the Coppa FISA in 1964

On the left side there is a blade I can’t identifyees TZ 1½ or TV1 ½

I don’t think it is the Asardo that was presented in 1961 if I remember correctly.

My question what is the leaf on the lift side referring to.

All proposal shall be welcome
 

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#4 ·
Thank you to you both.

The following is the text to come with the family tree. No reference to fallen leaves, here at spring 2021.

Thank you Richard

I agree that it could be referring to what might have been.

But the type 105.10 is real and the Condor is also real. So whey refer to different real cars, And then refer to a dream, a dream that maybe is one of Bussos , the Abarth Alfa 1000.

Lets se what turns up
 
#8 ·
Sorry if I have offended you, it wasn’t my attention.

The 105.10 is the prototype spider for the TZ, It was produced first as a spider later as coupe.

The condor was produced in 2 versions according to my little knowledge. A proto witch used a Giulietta engine , on number 2 that looks loke to be a production model, nice car, it had a 1600 Giulia engine.

There chassis was tube, and the engine was placed in the mid, and they used a Renault gearbox.

It is all my knowledge on the Condoer. They ran out of money. But could have been an interesting car on the track
 

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Condor was not Alfa Romeo factory project but the idea of building that car was proposed by Luigi Bertocco, and Giovanni and Sergio Aguzzoli, Alfa Romeo dealers from Parma. The car was realized by ex-Maserati engineers Neri and Bonacini, as a racing prototype vehicle with center positioned engine coupled with modified Citroën ERSA gearbox. The chassis was tubular one and the engine derived from the Alfa Romeo TZ. Drogo did the bodywork and later a second car was built with the same Alfa Romeo TZ engine but with the Hewland gearbox and bodied in fiberglass designed by Reggiani. The first car was inscribed in 1963 Fisa Cup, but didn’t start and both models were deployed for the first time at the Trento-Bondone race and Cesana-Sestiere hill climb, both in 1964. In the subsequent Coppa Fisa, with Ernesto Brambilla and Luigi Bertocco won in their respective class. Inscribed also in 1000 km of Monza, but both cars withdrew, and later took part in the uphill race Castione de 'Baratti - Neviano degli Arduini, beating the Abarth 2000s in their respective class. Though competitive, due to economic problems, the car was withdrawn and used occasionally by private drivers for a few more races before the end of career.
 
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ARGTAReg: Now one has claimed that it was a Alfa Romeo project.
To those who has an interest in the Condor.
Copy from: HISTORY - AGUZZOLI CONDOR: how a dream is born - Menu dei Motori
The storry of Aguzzioli Condor according to Fabricio Ferrari . Without pictures
HISTORY – AGUZZOLI CONDOR: how a dream is born
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BETWEEN THE END OF THE ‘50S AND THE EARLY ‘60S THE CENTRAL REAR ENGINE BECAME SUCCESSFUL FIRST IN FORMULA 1 AND THEN IN SPORTS RACING CARS
Even though with an illustrious precedent in the famous Auto Union one-seater designed by Ferdinand Porsche in the thirties, but in any case, after a relatively long period of oblivion, only in the early sixties was the rear-central engine technology definitely successful in Formula 1, where it had been re-introduced by the British Cooper (World champion in the two years 1959-60), then very soon also followed by Enzo Ferrari, initially against this technical solution, but immediately winner of the 1961 Championship, with the single-seater 156 conceived by Ing. Carlo Chiti.
In a short time, the technical solution of the rear-central engine thus took hold also in Sports racing and, subsequently, it also reached maturity on road sports cars.
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IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BRAND NEW TECHNICAL SOLUTION OF THE REAR-CENTRAL ENGINE IT ALSO BEGAN TO TAKE HOLD IN PROJECTS FOR ROAD GT
Among the first believers, besides Chiti who, passing from Ferrari to the newly established Bologna company ATS (acronym of Automobili Turismo Sport), conceived, besides a single-seater for Formula 1 (that participated in the 1963 championship), also a fabulous GT with a rear-central engine (the same V8 as the F1 taken to 2500 c.c.) that saw the light in 1964.
In the same period, at Modena, also Alejandro De Tomaso, after having built several single-seaters for formula 3 and other minor formulas, all with a rear-central engine, was in its turn preparing to build a Sport Barchetta (open) and a road GT, the Vallelunga, also with a rear-central 4-cylinder Ford engine of 1500 c.c. (derived from the Ford Cortina), built in just over 50 examples starting in 1963.
AGUZZOLI CONDOR WAS BORN PRECISELY IN THIS PARTICULAR MOTOR ENVIRONMENT AND HISTORICAL PERIOD: EMILIA OF THE EARLY SIXTIES
This particular historical period and especially this environment, included in the territory between Bologna and Parma (with its fulcrum at Modena) covers the history of Aguzzoli Condor.
At the time, Giovanni and Sergio Aguzzoli, father and son of a wealthy family of cured meats dealers in Parma, were respectively also local AlfaRomeo dealers, cultivating a great passion for cars, particularly sports cars.
The spark ignited at a meeting between the Aguzzolis and the former Ferrari and AlfaRomeo tester Luigi Bertocco, who, equally enthusiastic about GT cars, very soon came to offer them the construction of a brand new GT, road and racing (at the time the two types of car, practically, still coincided), naturally with an AlfaRomeo engine.
The great novelty was to be the rear-central position of the engine, a 4-cylinder 1600 twin shaft derived from the Giulietta SZ, coupled with a Citroen ERSA gearbox: the same as the front-wheel drive Citroen ID19, but fitted the other way round (turned through 180°).
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AT MODENA AGUZZOLI AND BERTOCCO USED VARIOUS EXPERTS TO CREATE THEIR CAR
Bertocco’s contacts in the environment of Modena immediately let him identify the experts Neri and Bonacini, who had started up in business on their own after the breakup of the Maserati racing department (where they had previously done their military service), as the right people to design a strong and light tubular chassis frame that could accommodate the particular selected mechanics.
For the bodywork of the first example, totally in aluminium, another well known expert in the environment at the time instead became available: Piero Drogo who, with his body shop, Sport Cars, was then, in the following years, to build also famous cars such as the Ferrari 330 P3 and P4.
They then arrived, towards the end of 1963, at the construction of the first car, immediately rechristened Aguzzoli, from the name of the AlfaRomeo dealership in Parma, “Condor” model, from the nickname of Sergio Aguzzoli (who they said was as fast as a Condor in picking up girls).
The hopes of Aguzzoli and Bertocco were obviously aimed at a possible, probable, official interest by AlfaRomeo in the project.
Indeed, in that particular period, the Milanese company was going through a moment of euphoria, largely due to the commercial successes of cars such as the series of the Giulietta first and then Giulia. For this reason, at the Portello they began thinking even more seriously about competitions (after officially quitting, at the end of 1951, following the historical successes in the first two Formula 1 Championships, 1950-51, easily won by the Alfetta single seater).
This time, however, at Alfa they were rather thinking about setting up an external structure, solely dedicated to competitions, obviously always officially connected with the parent company.
THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECTLY INVOLVING ALFAROMEO IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CONDOR PROJECT WAS SOON DROPPED BECAUSE OF THE ALMOST SIMULTANEOUS BIRTH OF AUTODELTA
The idea of Aguzzoli and Bertocco was to be considered no trifle at the time as was soon to be shown with Ing. Carlo Chiti, with the Chizzola brothers of the AlfaRomeo dealership in Trieste, creating AutoDelta: just the external structure that Alfa needed to officially get back into racing.
But let us proceed with order: the hopes of the Aguzzolis were apparently about to materialize in the autumn of 1963, when the first example of the Aguzzoli Condor with its aluminium bodywork was ready for the first tests, with Bertocco at the steering wheel, on the Aerodrome in Modena. From the encouraging results obtained in Modena, it was then decided to register the car in the FISA Cup, scheduled for November 14th 1963 in the autodrome of Monza.
At the end the Condor didn’t even make the race because the chosen driver at the last moment decided to enter the competition with a Giulia TI Super but, that occasion, that historically marked the racing debut of the Giulia TZ, in any case allowed the Aguzzolis to show their brand new Condor, particularly to the AlfaRomeo engineers who were present: they immediately showed themselves to be positively interested and curious about the technical solutions implemented on the Condor.
Unfortunately for the Aguzzolis (and above all for the interesting Condor), the bets had in reality already been made and the Giulia TZ basically marked the birth of Chiti’s AutoDelta and the end of the dreams of the Aguzzolis and Bertocco.
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THE SECOND EXAMPLE OF THE AGUZZOLI CONDOR WAS BUILT ON A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BASIS, BEING ALREADY A CONSIDERABLE BASIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAR
The history of the Aguzzoli Condor could also have ended here, if a second chassis frame had not already been made ready for a first, true, development of the car.
It was in this way that the second and even more interesting example of the Aguzzoli Condor was born (the same one pictured in this photographic service).
Among the main variants there was a new engine derived from the Giulia TZ, this time coupled with a much more efficient and “racy” Hewland gearbox.
But the most obvious and undoubtedly sensational novelty was above all the new bodywork, designed and made in ultra-light fibreglass-reinforced plastic, at Sant’Ilario of Enza (PR), by the designer and sculptor Franco Reggiani. Clear progress had been made with the streamlining and above all the styling: as the line of the first example was rather “awkward,” a little graceless and almost disproportionate, the design of the second Aguzzoli was balanced and pleasantly efficient.
It was clear to everybody that, if the first car had been made, in an extremely practical way by a body shop, even a good one such as Drogo, the second example highlighted even more all the ingeniousness and good taste (as a true artist) of Franco Reggiani, who even went too far in the purely theoretical study of the aerodynamics, to the point to then be forced to take a small step backwards.
The episode, really little known, but with photographic evidence of the time, is tied to the front, particularly to the air intake for the radiator, on the nose of the Condor. When the second example of the Condor was officially presented, at the Geneva Show, in March of 1964, the nose was much more tapered and almost “pointed”, with an air intake for the radiator practically “invisible”, because it was entirely positioned at the bottom of the nose and, moreover, was rather small. The idea, while being theoretically valid, in order to significantly reduce the resistance to forward movement, basically involved insufficient ventilation of the water radiator, with the result that the twin shaft 4 cylinders of the TZ thus tended to heat up terribly. It was therefore necessary to increase the surface of the air intake, modifying the shape of the nose (less pointed), widening the slit right on the front of the nose itself.
On this occasion, the two small vents on the front bonnet were also eliminated (present at the presentation in Geneva and on the occasion of the first tests).
A REAL PITY THAT ALFA WAS NOT ABLE TO CONSIDER THE CONDOR THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SECOND EXAMPLE, SHOWED NOT ONLY VALID SPORTS PERFORMANCE, BUT ALSO TECHNICAL AND STYLING SOLUTIONS THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY ON THE CUTTING EDGE FOR THE TIME
In its final version, the second Condor took part in several competitions in 1964, together with the first prototype with aluminium bodywork and, while having failed in the aim of getting AlfaRomeo involved, on several occasions it demonstrated the validity of the project, giving the Aguzzolis and Bertocco plenty of satisfaction, among which some absolute successes.
From 1965, the two Condors competed only sporadically in the hands of customers or friends of the Aguzzolis, that had taken the decision to officially withdraw the Condors from competitions.
Like all good dreams, very soon the Condors disappeared from the scene (the first example was dismembered) and just as quickly even its memory was lost, at least until an “enlightened” collector found himself on the tracks of the second example, practically abandoned in a country workshop in the province of Parma, thus allowing not only its recovery and restoration of a conservative nature, but also reconstructing its interesting and fascinating history.
 
#16 ·
Hi 2000 Touring sp

Below, as promised, the response from the author, Vito Witting da Prato....

This fallen leaf refers to a prototype which was built in Udine by Lodovico
Chizzola. He coined the TV (for Tubolare Vico, his nickname from Lodovico)
in place of TZ for Tubolare Zagato. Then, since it was built half way
towards the TZ2, with a new Fiberglas body and a shorter chassis, he called
this TV 1 1/2, which added a little humor to his enterprise.
I am delighted that this work provides some enjoyment to other enthusiasts,
having had the experience of living so close to these wonderful Alfas.

Richard
 
#21 ·
Hi 2000 Touring sp

Below, as promised, the response from the author, Vito Witting da Prato....

This fallen leaf refers to a prototype which was built in Udine by Lodovico
Chizzola. He coined the TV (for Tubolare Vico, his nickname from Lodovico)
in place of TZ for Tubolare Zagato. Then, since it was built half way
towards the TZ2, with a new Fiberglas body and a shorter chassis, he called
this TV 1 1/2, which added a little humor to his enterprise.
I am delighted that this work provides some enjoyment to other enthusiasts,
having had the experience of living so close to these wonderful Alfas.

Richard
 
#17 ·
Thank you Richards.

It is right there was the other that was build , as I see it, a sort of protest after he was force to sell the Delta Auto.

But it should really have been in the to of the tree, as it came after the TZs.

Thank you for helping to clear the question.
 

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Hello to you all.
After I did finish the reading of da Prato. I googled the internet to find additional inform on TZ.
I was a bit astonish, it is difficult to find historic info’s on TZ,
There is many web pages that contains sales info’s and actions info’s. Almost all has the same history on the development, different versions but the same content. And when it comes to information’s on the actual car, is there almost non info’s. Or at its best, info’s on all the papers that comes with the car.
Beautiful cars that are ready for a “Concours de elegance”
I started the search of perios correct materiel , from 1963 ten years ahead till around the beginning of the seventies. I am only focusing on active TZ in competition.
Then I copied the TZ starts from racingsportscars.
Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ - Complete Archive - Racing Sports Cars
It gave a good start for the first active years, on the official starts. But from 1967 when Alfa 33 took over, and the SZ came to privateers who started in the local hill climbs, and there is many in Italia. Then it is difficult to find start list for the different events.
The web euro Montagne
EUROMONTAGNA.COM since 1993
They just list 13 starts for TZ and 10 different drivers. So on that page there isn’t much help to find.
So I do have a huge PLEASE, that someone have information’s, where to find start list of the Italian Hill Climbs. Orjust general info.
On another forum I found an old tread on TZ, it is a tread from 2004, there is information’s on attempt to list Alfa Romeos TZ active career.
There was some information . That a person, witsch is active on AlfaBB, Had started to make a list. And he write: Quote “My interest is how to match chassis number to race results? I look in envy when Porsche Abarth's have meticulously matched chassis numbers to results. Hows it done? My TZ was delivered on 22 April 64 through Alfa Romeo Lugano and then”.
Another person which is also active her on AlfaBB states in the same tread.
Qoute:
“I hardly imagine anyone starting a TZ register without using the previous versions, when available.
Pezold's 1994 version is the last one, as far as I know, and I worked with Jack to update it at the best of our knowledge. We don't spread it, leave question marks where we don't know, and we credit our sources at our best. I think that's the way such things should be handled in this world.
But I know that other knowledgeable people made similar attempts. It would be interesting to cross-check everyone's effort. Hopefully, it should be done one day, when we find time for that.
Unfortunately, I have added nothing to Jack's entry about your car 750xxx, so I'm sorry I can't help further.”

I will be VERRY VERRY PLEASED, IF SOMEONE is willing to share the content of these list, if they really exist.

For now I am struggling to find information, on 3 Belgian drivers, a Schweich driver, and the TZ that Walker Day Racing brought and raced.
So help will be appreciated on any help in this question.
The 3 Belgian is:
Women driver Nicola Sol she drove an TZ in different events, at the end of the 60ties . Looking for chassis / vin number and results.
Jacques Berger in the beginning af the 70ties, he was active in different events. Looking for chassis/ vin number and results. It is maybe possible that these 2 persons raced the same car.????????????
The third Belgian Dantinne, don’t know his first name. He is registries on WRC as stated in
Ronde Cévenole #5 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ 1966 reg: S8951
as well as he participated in a number of different French rally. Searching for chassis/ vin number.

The Schweizer Charles Ramu-Caccia. I assume he started in chassis/ vin 750032. CAN ANYBODY CONFIRM THAT IS REIGHT.
He was Schweich Hill Climb champion. And participated in races in France – Schweich- Austria – Germany – Italian.
He did also race TZ2 750112 on Monza.

England. There is information that Walker Day Racing did by 4 TZ. Chassis/Vin numbers 750043 – 750044-750053 - 750073. There is misleading information on the chassis/ vin number, connection to the Walker Day Racing Drivers Tony Hegborne and Boley Pittard.-
I have connected Boley Pittard to chassis/vin 750043 and Tony Hegborne to chassis/vin 750073,
Can anybody confirm that this is right.
Tony Hegborne had a fatal accident in his TZ on Spa Francorchamps 16.05.1965.
If my assumption is right. Who or was the chassis/vin 750044 and 750053 ever traced.

That was a lot of questions I DO HOPE THAT THERE IS SOMEONE, THAT HAS THE KNOWLEDGE, AND ARE WILLING TO HELP WITH ANSWERS.
ALL THE BEST
BJARKE
alfaarkiv@gmail.com

For those that has an interest there is a primary heavily reduced PDF file, it is still to large to be uploaded on AlfaBB, on the following link

 
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Nicole Sol and later Jacques Berger both raced TZ 750036, Maurice Dantinne most likely TZ 750067. The two Walker-Day-TZs were 750043 and 750073, 750043 was damaged from Tony Hegbourne's fatal accident but saved and rebuilt years later. TZ 750044 was delivered to Switzerland and was never in England. 750053 was delivered to Switzerland, too, its history is unknown. Charles Ramu-Caccia raced TZ 750014. Patrick Dasse and I prepare a book about the TZ but you have to wait some months longer.
 
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Thank yo Martin.
I have seen you traces around in you search on information
I am my selves working on a script on TZ to selabrate its 60years anniversary, I am focusing on those cars that has a competition history. So you information is extremely welcome, to solve some of the puzzled on these cars.
I am concentrating on the period from Nov 1963 to the beginning af the 70ties and focus on race results in that period. I am at 2000 pages, many pictures. at the moment and still have around 200 pictures for at definite identification.
Interesting information on the Belgian cars and a great thank you for confirmed that the Nicola Sol and the Berger car are the same. 750036. I have had problems to find the further history on the Gustave Gosselin. I had the impression that he had had an accident.
And Maurice Dantinne is most likely TZ 750067. I have it marked no racing history. I was almost impossible to fins some history on his activity in the Alfa Romeo TZ. Almost all information was about his activity in the Ferraris.
And the Charles Ramu-Caccia raced TZ 750014. Again I have this car makes no race history.
  • 750014 came to the States. to George Pezold, it is probably the link to the Pezold's 1994 list on TZ.
Charles Ramu-Caccia vas a vine producer, do you know if it was his own car, or he just raced It for another.
And Walker Day Racing cars. If it was 750043 was the car thar Tony Hegbourne's had the fatal accident in.
It must mean that it was Boley Pittard that raced 750073.
The information on 750044, I have seen quietened by others. But whey do Sant'Ambroeus sell a Rece prepared TZ to a MR nowbody in Switzerland. And no further history.
To me it sounds relevant for Walker Day Racing to by a fully Alfa Romeo race prepared car.
Do you have evidence on that information. You probably have, as you don’t normally give information without a solid info.
750053 is almost the same history, just there is a considerers that the connection to Walker day Racing, is caused on a typing error, where it should have been 740043.
It means that we don’t have any history on 750044 and 750053. And the one was a full race prepared TZ
Thank you martin for polishing my glasses.
All the best
Bjarke
 
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Hello to you all
A wish to you all and you family, that the new year will be jolly and prosperous.

My work is developing. And I have for now materiel pictures and information on all chassis numbers, except the following 43numbers.
I have marked these numbers without race history. It does only mean that I have not been able till find any documentation for participating In competition.
In that connection I do have e great wish for help.
If anybody have any knowledge and documentation, that any of these chassis numbers has been participated in a race. In the period November 1963 to 1973. I will be most pleased.
At this moment I an searching information on chassis numbers on the following drivers.
Helmut Wrobel Austria, he was active in competition I Germany- Austria - Switzerland and probably I Italy.
Lucian Bianchi participating with #8 '65 in Rallye Dos Cataluñas
Fritz Baumann and Freddy Karrer #16 participating in Maraton on Nürburgring.
Amphicar - S.Barraco #156 1970 Taga Florio.
Silvestre Semilia #154 Coppa de Ene 1970.
Above i am missing the chassis numbers.
And a wish for a confirmation that I am on the right track.
Pasquale De Francisci - Settimio Balistreri #154 in Taga Florio Can anybody confirm that it was in chassis number 750012.That they started.


Switzerland

Chassis number: 750019 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano, Switzerland
Chassis number: 750023 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano, Switzerland
Chassis number: 750026 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano, Switzerland
Chassis number: 750032 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano, Switzerland
Chassis number: 750035 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano, Switzerland
Chassis number: 750044 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano Switzerland
Chassis number: 750053 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano Switzerland
Chassis number: 750088 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Lugano
Germany
Chassis number: 750013 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo Frankfurt Germany
Chassis number: 750050 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Frankfurt Germany
Chassis number: 750089 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Frankfurt Germany
Chassis number: 750093 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Frankfurt Germany
England
Chassis number: 750063 first ejer: Michael Parkes Warwickshire England
Chassis number: 750082 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo UK, London England
France
Chassis number: 750042 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750046 first owner: Monsieur Gaspin France
Chassis number: 750047 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750049 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750083 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750086 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750094 first owner: delivered to Alfa RomeoParis France
Chassis number: 750096 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number:750098 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750099 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France
Chassis number: 750100 first owner: delivered to Alfa Romeo, Paris France

USA

Chassis number: 750037 first owner: Henry Wessells Philadelphia USA
Chassis number: 750060 first owner: John Ebell San Francisco USA
Italy
Chassis number: 750027 first owner: Gennaro Frola Bari License plate BA 133774 Italy
Chassis number: 750040 first owner: Cesare Marini Cagliari Italy
Chassis number: 750057 first owner: Otello Pampana 1964, Pisa, License plate: PI 71101 Italy
Chassis number: 750058 first owner: Nino Todaro, Palermo Italy
Chassis number: 750065 first owner: Lino Pasetto Verona Italy
Chassis number: 750068 first owner: Franco Cellone Turin Italy
Chassis number: 750074 first owner: Calogero Adaino Palermo Italy
Chassis number: 750090 first owner: Lino Paseto Verona Italy
Chassis number: 750091 first owner: Giovanni Bellicchi Milan Italy
Chassis number: 750092 first owner: Olindo Suraci Milan Italy
Chassis number: 750095 first owner: Gianna Maria Scanza Chiavari Italy
Chassis-Number 750101 Bertone Canguro
Chassis Number: 750104 Test car husAutodelta, first fiberglass. Fate unknown
Chassis-Number :750114 TZ2 Pininfarina
Chassis Number: 750115 Produced for the Alfa Romeo Museum
Holland

Chassis number: 750066 first owner: (delivered to Alfa Romeo, The Hague; exhibited at the RAI Motorshow, Amsterdam Holland

43 out of 117 chassis numbers without race history. In addition, there were a few chassis numbers that were not used.
 
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Helmut Wrobel, Muenchen (D): 750013
Lucian Bianchi participating with #8 '65 in Rallye Dos Cataluñas: 750036
Fritz Baumann and Freddy Karrer #16 participating in Maraton on Nürburgring: 750020 (most likely)
Amphicar - S.Barraco #156 1970 Taga Florio: 750054
Silvestre Semilia #154 Coppa de Ene 1970: Coppa Città di Enna #54 750108
Pasquale De Francisci - Settimio Balistreri #154 in Taga Florio Can anybody confirm that it was in chassis number 750012.That they started: Settiminio Balistreri 750012
 
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Pasquale De Francisci - Settimio Balistreri #154 in Taga Florio Can anybody confirm that it was in chassis number 750012.That they started: Settiminio Balistreri 750012
Dear Martinue,

I was in contact with the son of Settiminio Balestreri. He confirmed Stefano Alongi as one of the former owners of the 1970 Targa Florio TZ with #154. As you allready know. 😊

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

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#27 ·
Hello to you all.
Things is developerne perfekt, al most ready to the corrector.
I do still have problems with finding info’s on the activity in Great Britain and in USA, and the 5 Belgium drivers is also a problem, but I do probably have to live with that, I think.
There is still a few missing chassis numbers, and once again I probably have to really on the help from Martin, if he still is interesting to support
Missing chassis number:
04.06 1966 #5 Ralley National des Roses. Driver Montane-Bianco
1967 #37 Nürburgring 500 Km Driver Manfred Hartung - Heinz Gilges
1966 #113 Innsbruck - Große pries von Tirol Driver Robert Eberhart
1968 #125 pichet-renouil bachellerie
Clastres 1968 #6. A.G.A.C.I. INTER RALLY ° 6 af Jean-Delahaye
Tanks for all and any help.
All the best
Bjarke
alfaarkiv@gmail.com
 
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richard:
It has a lot to do with its origin, which you contributed information on.
The info on the heritage tree, is just continued, with a search for the reasons whey da Prato has split the tree up in to sections one 1-50 and the other from 50 -117.
I could not understand why, and my search has lead to, a development of my primary intention of a anniversary script 60 years of the development of Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTZ, has been extended.
So when it is released in November will contain 4 parts.
Part one on the development
Part two a collection on track results.
Parts tree a complete list of chassis number that has racing history.
Part four a appendix list of additional information on TZ.
You have had information on my intention, and promised to assist with information.