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Oleg's 6C2500 Revelli Tribute

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Since there is no "Limited Reproduction" thread, this perhaps belongs here?

Oleg Nagorny posted on another thread seeking information about a project he is working on for the Alfa Romeo 100th Anniversary. He has had a hard time figuring out how to use this site. Good luck Oleg!

Oleg is attempting to build a replica of the Stabilimenti Farina body designed by Mario Revelli de Beaumont on Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Turismo chassis N. 913007. He has made an impressive scale-sized body buck and is seeking details of the construction of the body in general and the headlamp actuation in particular.

I do not have specific information about these details on this car but have shared a few possible sources for finding more and have also shared the bit of history that I know. The original 913007 was sold 1942 to Genova and then 1947 to Milano. The original engine reportedly sits in another car today.

Anyone who has Anselmi's 6C2500 opus can find photos of the original Stabilimenti Farina bodied 913007 on page 75.

Oleg shared photos of some other projects as well and they illustrate that he is quite capable of completiing this project. I have asked his permission to resize his photos and share them here but until then, they show a modern & futuristic car and motorcycle designed by his brother. Of more interest to this thread are two vintage "Alfa Romeo" "Touring" cars that appear to be quite nicely done. One is a 6C2500 cabriolet Touring restoration and the other a 2900 Touring tribute on a 6C2500 chassis as well.
 
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I've seen him struggle both with language and the AlfaBB -- thank you for clarifying what he is looking for.
 
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Oleg's scale body buck and more

I have re-sized Oleg's photos (received via email) and post them here. First the scale body buck and then, two other cars he has restored for customers. Both are on 6C2500 chassis. Language is difficult but the cabriolet may be a complete rebody of an original cabriolet Touring on that chassis (hence a restoration) and the "8C2900" is a new body on a 6C2500. Lovely work in any case.
 

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... At present we realise car Alfa Romeo reconstruction 6c2500 coupe Stabilimenti Farina, under project Mario Revelli, восхищаеся creativity of this great designer!!! We hope in a year of 100 anniversary Alfa Romeo to expose our project at an exhibition. If there is an information on this car - the request will share... In accordance with the circumstances we have no possibility prematurely to show a stage of work on the project... Yours faithfully Oleg.
 
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Alfa 6C2500 project

Nice to see Oleg's project. I'm building something similar on chassis 915616, which I've owned since 1975. Steel body except for aluminum door skins and hood. It's at the stage you see, when it left for the paint shop. Now I'm working on the mechanicals. Anyone out there have a generator?

Paul Wilson
Virginia
540-377-2980
 

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As first posts go, that's going to take some beating! I do know someone in the UK (North Wales) who seems to have quite a stash of pre-war and immediate postwar parts. It's going to take a day or two to dig out his contact details but I'll send you a PM when I've found that particular notebook.

I'm sure everyone will want to know a lot more about this fabulous project!
 
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6C2500 project

Hi,

I just wrote a several-page account of my project, but when I tried to preview it, the page had timed out or something, and once I logged in again it had disappeared. I don't have time to rewrite it now.

Any help you can give me on the generator will be very much appreciated!

Paul Wilson
 
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I just wrote a several-page account of my project, but when I tried to preview it, the page had timed out or something, and once I logged in again it had disappeared. I don't have time to rewrite it now.
Too bad. I'd love to read that story. Usually, you can use the "Back" button in the web browser to go back to the page before you tried posting it, copy the text you wrote and paste it into a newly opened page. Of course, the test you wrote is lost if the web browser has been closed or the computer has been turned off.
 
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Welcome Paul!

I have also lost long and involved postings in a similar fashion. More than once! So, I empathize. I can say that the response window seems much more stable than it used to. Even so ...

Now, when I know there is going to be a lengthy reply or posting, I try to remember to do any composition outside of the BB response window, i.e. in some sort of text editor such as wordpad, MS-Word or a host of others. This allows me the possibility of walking away from the computer without worry and also gives time to review the posting later ... and modify it before posting rather than doing too much editing after the fact. In any case, a copy-paste makes time spent in the response window minimal.

When I've gotten part way through a reply or posting that has become lengthy, I try to remember to do a text-copy of my material before hitting the "Submit Reply" button ... just in case. I don't know what system you are using but for mine I simply highlight the text (Ctrl-a) and then copy it (Ctrl-c) to place it in my ram-based clipboard. At that point, if there is a glitch, a window can be opened fresh and the text pasted in (Ctrl-v) before the computer gets any idea that you are trying to outwit it and its electronic friends!

May I suggest that we open a new thread to describe and follow your car's progress? Who knows where it might lead? If you do not wish to begin it yourself, I'd be happy to do so. We could name it "Alfa Romeo 6C2500 by Carrozzeria Wilson" ... or " ... Carrozzeria Paolo" ... or whatever you like? Maybe "The Big Rusty Bullet"? Maybe we call it simply by it's chassis number?

Best of luck!

John
 
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I have also lost long and involved postings in a similar fashion. More than once! So, I empathize. I can say that the response window seems much more stable than it used to. Even so ...

Now, when I know there is going to be a lengthy reply or posting, I try to remember to do any composition outside of the BB response window, i.e. in some sort of text editor such as wordpad, MS-Word or a host of others. This allows me the possibility of walking away from the computer without worry and also gives time to review the posting later ... and modify it before posting rather than doing too much editing after the fact. In any case, a copy-paste makes time spent in the response window minimal.

When I've gotten part way through a reply or posting that has become lengthy, I try to remember to do a text-copy of my material before hitting the "Submit Reply" button ... just in case. I don't know what system you are using but for mine I simply highlight the text (Ctrl-a) and then copy it (Ctrl-c) to place it in my ram-based clipboard. At that point, if there is a glitch, a window can be opened fresh and the text pasted in (Ctrl-v) before the computer gets any idea that you are trying to outwit it and its electronic friends!

May I suggest that we open a new thread to describe and follow your car's progress? Who knows where it might lead? If you do not wish to begin it yourself, I'd be happy to do so. We could name it "Alfa Romeo 6C2500 by Carrozzeria Wilson" ... or " ... Carrozzeria Paolo" ... or whatever you like? Maybe "The Big Rusty Bullet"? Maybe we call it simply by it's chassis number?

Best of luck!

John
Hi John,

Thanks for your interest in my project. Here’s a brief summary.

Long, long ago, in 1975 or thereabouts, I like anyone with good taste and judgment in cars lusted after an Alfa 2.9. But their values never dipped below that of a decent house. Not so the 6C2500, which was then, literally, a junkyard car. So, I thought, if I can’t buy a 2.9, I can make one, or something close, based on the 6C2500. Optimistically dreaming that someday I’d have the skills, time, and money for such a project, I bought three parts cars, for a total of $1000. Two I stripped of parts, one I dragged home. The latter was a homely Ghia cabriolet that had been sitting outside with no top for many years. I removed most of the interior with a shovel; the stripped shell was scrapped. That’s the chassis my project is based on. Wisely, I got duplicates of most of the important mechanical components, but now I’m discovering a few that I missed.

About ten years ago I started building the body, and in about a year I’d completed the rear half, the teardrop coupe shape that was what most of my early dreaming focused on. With rudimentary metalworking skills, I made what I wanted by cutting and splicing body panels from cars found in junkyards–the origins will be identifiable by some of you with sharp eyes. However, the front end was a problem. The 6C engine and radiator are more than a foot ahead of the 2.9's, so 2.9 proportions are irrelevant. A lot of contemporary solutions to this heavy frontal mass are, to me, unsatisfactory. What I needed was a design that enclosed the components, was appropriate to 1947 (when the chassis was made), was instantly identifiable as an Alfa and not anachronistic, and was beautiful. Finding this solution took me another decade or so.

When I started on the front end my metalworking skills had progressed to the point where I could form what I wanted from sheet steel or aluminum, making things much easier. It’s also a huge advantage to be both the designer and fabricator, because so many design factors are interdependent. For example, I made the center grille first, then spent most of a week on the size and shape of the side openings. Then I went through half a dozen variations on the headlights–straight, sloped, higher, lower, wider, closer together. Only when a mockup is tacked in place you can see what’s what, from every angle. None of the decisions I made during the process could have been done at the outset.

I was assisted by friends who sent me comments on progress photos, often sent daily. All these friends are, like me, saturated with images of relevant cars they’ve seen in person or in pictures--Alfas, Talbot-Lagos, Delages, Delahayes, Bugattis. We’d have discussions of a detail that looked “too French,” or another that was “not like an Alfa.” Final decisions are mine, of course, but their input has been very helpful. My longtime friend Peter Marshall is one of this group. Many of you Alfisti will know him.

A couple of months ago the body was essentially done (12/11). The pictures I sent earlier were taken when it left for the bodyshop where the final metalwork is being tidied up and it’s being prepared for paint. When it’s in primer the body will be taken off the frame and set aside, and I’ll bring home the chassis for restoration. I’m now working on the engine, carbs, wheels, all the mechanical stuff. (Note: all advice is welcome on how to optimize all of this, problems to avoid, sources for parts, etc.) When the chassis is done, the body will be put back on, painted, and I’ll move into the final stages.

As you’ll have learned from this story, this car is a lifetime dream car for me. It’s taken a lifetime to build, and it’s got to have it all, because I won’t have another chance (I’m 67). I want it to be an aesthetic masterpiece, be beautifully finished, be a pleasure to drive, be comfortable. On the latter, I think an ideal driving position, and good seat, are critical. A friend once let me drive his 2.9, and the necessary contortions were torture. They made good seats in 1947; mine will look like them. I’m only six feet, but the car should make anyone feel just right. They also had great ventilation in 1947, with effective cowl vents. My car has one too.

A good 6C2500 can also be a delight on the road. One of my advisors allowed me to drive his 6C2500SS, which was a revelation: supple, controlled ride, that reminded me of an E-Type; fabulous brakes, as good as a modern all-disc setup; wonderful steering; much better power than you’d expect from the spec sheet. I think there’s some easy extra power available (gas in 1947, in Italy, was pretty bad stuff). But if it has hefty torque, that’s what it needs to feel good on the road.

So that’s what the project is. All advice and comments are welcome. I’m a newbie on discussion threads like this, and want to hear what you’ve got to say.

Paul Wilson
 
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Hi John,

Yes, the project might get more comments if it's in a new thread. Please initate that for me, if you don't mind. For now, something simple in the title: Paul Wilson's 6C2500 project.

Several people have told me I need to come up with a good name for it, as the creator of the "Alfa Appennine" did a few years back (2.9 MM replica). I agree, but haven't come up with anything yet that I like.

Paul
 
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A New Thread for Paul Wilson's 6C2500 Project

Can be found here:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/limited-production-1910-1949/192329-paul-wilsons-6c2500-project.html

I have copied the most informative message and the two photos shared thus far by Paul.

Additionally: Paul is looking for an appropriate generator to complete his engine.

I am awaiting confirmation of the chassis number and engine number in use along with any additional details that Paul may be willing to share with us ... and my study of these cars.

John de Boer
The Italian Car Registry
 
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Hi John, Here are the numbers on my 6C stuff:

915616: frame

S923330: old engine

SS928-332: newer engine

918115: title

spare head: 2658

head on late engine: 3445

head on early engine: 803 (then 40 in smaller, raised numbers)

I'm planning to redo the "early engine" first, keeping the other as a backup.

The title is from the car that originally had my "late engine," which I got in New Jersey. It looked sort of like a Villa d'Este convertible, though I never got a good look at it (weird story I'll tell you sometime). As I recall, it went first to Bob Tucker, then to California. Some of the old Registers might clarify this. Bob paid, I think, $400; he thought he'd been robbed at that price, but was good enough not to hold it against me.

Paul
 
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Thank you Paul

I have pasted your <numbers> message into the thread dedicated to your car and will respond there once I've digested your input. I have a feeling that we'll find that "915616" was reported more than once as "915316" in the past. Now I am seeking some sense of confirmation that this is what happened.

Best regards,

John de Boer