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GIULIA SUPER DOOR FELT / SIDE GLASS WIPER REPLACEMENT

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GIULIA SUPER DOOR FELT / SIDE GLASS WIPER REPLACEMENT

I recently replaced the door felts / glass wipers on all 4 doors of my 69 Giulia Super. These felts have a limited life as you know and when the felt is gone there remains a rusty support stapled with wire to the stainless steel (SS) trim.

First you have to remove the SS trim and old felt by pulling out of door. The original felts were hand stapled (judging by the randomness of the staple placement) to the trim with hardened steel staples that were able to perforate the SS trim. These hardened rusted staples were not easy to remove but they were bent back and pulled out. I saved them in case I decided to zinc plate and reuse. One or 2 SS trim pieces were from an earlier door and had used a different sized staple but were in better condition than those original to the Super.

I then cleaned the SS trim, drilled the staple holes to 0.062 inches, de-burred the holes and buff/polished them with a buffing wheel.

For the front window where the felt is shorter because of the vent window I had 4 NOS felts to use and for the longer rear door I bought 4 from Classic Alfa. The NOS were the exact length, the repros needed to have their ends cut square and then be cut to length.

I then clamped the felt to the SS trim and drilled matching holes where the staples had been. In the case of the NOS felts they laid nice and flat and straight on the SS trim and I was able to drill all holes at once. Not so with the slightly curved Repro felts. The repro felts had an aluminium channel at the bottom, the NOS not.

I decided to use 0.050 inch 304 Stainless Steel locking wire to replace the rusted staples. The 304 was very easily bent and corrected. I thought I might have to make a tool or jig to mass produce the SS staples but found that by eye I could often get them to go right in. Tools I used were small clamps, needle nose pliers, small pliers and side cutters.

I bent the staples, corrected the legs of staple with side cutters, pushed the staple through, tipped the legs in with the needle nose pliers and flattened them with the pliers. With the repro felts I had to start at one end, drill, wire and move on, maybe having to correct the lay of the felt by bending slightly. Sometimes skipping some holes, sometimes drilling two sets of holes at once, all depending on how straight the repro was.

Time taken to prepare, 15 to 30 min. per SS trim. Time taken to drill and attach felts 45 to 60 min per felt. Times 8. Up to 12 hours total. Expensive job if your shop does it.

Regards

Ken
 

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I did something similar, used ss locking wire with the associated locking pliers, twisted the wires, snipped off the ends, and bent the twisted wires flat, very secure and went quickly once I established a system. I did have to drill out the new felts to match the existing holes.
 
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Nice job Ken, no doubt an expense if payinh a shop, the hrs just fly by.
Years ago during the previous refurb I did what you just did but with copper wire. Worked well. Was easily cut off.
During this renovation i decided to just glue them on with 3m yellow adhesive applied to both sides.
I bought the seal from Cicognani, drawback is that it comes in a roll so time is spent straightening. I use a long jaw vise to gently clamp along to assure good contact. For the life this car will live itll be fine till next refurb.
So far I am averaging a door a day, 90% of the time is spent polishing the stainless trim....7 per door x 4.
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During this renovation i decided to just glue them on with 3m yellow adhesive applied to both sides.
I bought the seal from Cicognani, drawback is that it comes in a roll so time is spent straightening. I use a long jaw vise to gently clamp along to assure good contact. For the life this car will live itll be fine till next refurb.
So far I am averaging a door a day, 90% of the time is spent polishing the stainless trim....7 per door x 4. View attachment 1649206
OK so I bought the ones from Classic Alfa a few months ago and am not having fun remaking the staples. If I recall, I have the 4 outside ones done already. Only the 4 interior left. I would have never thought that 3m yellow is strong enough. I may have to consider that - I HATE re-doing the staples. Thanks for the idea.
 
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Ken, did you consider using Friction-lock rivets (they go by various names) would have saved a whole lot of time and futzing with staples.. A few rivets and contact cement would have done the trick imho... Here is one example ... Might take some searching for the right size... No special tools.. just press fit together and a hammer tap.. Sometimes the technology used in the 60's and 70's isn't worth copying.


they can be found at Michael's too. the leather craft business uses many different sizes .
 
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Nice idea. I only considered doing as close as possible to the original.

K
 
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the absolute worst part is the ss trim, both removing and reinstalling it....especially after a paint job. It will scratch. I've been manicuring the ends with a dremel craytex wheel. After the fourth door almost had one in without a scratch.
 
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Hey George. So do you have any tips. My body guy took them off and will reinstall I hope.
 
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Avoid thick paint in the areas where the ss trim has to fit. Originally it was a thin single stage.

Dress the ends of the ss trim to remove any sharp edges, the vertical end especially will have to slide over the end of the horizontal piece.

Assembly sequence is:
Slide the glass in the door from the top down.
Press and tap the horizontal ss trim with felt into place.
Put several layers of wide tape to protect the paint next to the horizontal piece and wrap some tape at the end of the upper trim piece as it will be flopping around.

Start at the end with the acute angle, pressing firmly against the horizontal piece, work into place as you go around. Its got to be aligned to the edge all the way around.

Note the last end to slide on will have a divot in the ss and a corresponding hole on the window opening.


The vertical end (with the divot) will be resting on the horizontal piece and it has to slide the last quarter inch or so until it snaps in place.
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The inner and outer ss trim with the felt looks the same but are different, outer have a small hole punched at the ends.

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64 GIULIA TI pictures, yours might be different.
 
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Avoid thick paint in the areas where the ss trim has to fit. Originally it was a thin single stage.

Dress the ends of the ss trim to remove any sharp edges, the vertical end especially will have to slide over the end of the horizontal piece.

Assembly sequence is:
Slide the glass in the door from the top down.
Press and tap the horizontal ss trim with felt into place.
Put several layers of wide tape to protect the paint next to the horizontal piece and wrap some tape at the end of the upper trim piece as it will be flopping around.

Start at the end with the acute angle, pressing firmly against the horizontal piece, work into place as you go around. Its got to be aligned to the edge all the way around.

Note the last end to slide on will have a divot in the ss and a corresponding hole on the window opening.


The vertical end (with the divot) will be resting on the horizontal piece and it has to slide the last quarter inch or so until it snaps in place.
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The inner and outer ss trim with the felt looks the same but are different, outer have a small hole punched at the ends.

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64 GIULIA TI pictures, yours might be different.
Hi, thanks for this very useful guide and photos. I spent quite a while looking for some retaining screws before I read your post. Just wanted to check, which end of the vertical SS strip does one remove first? Also, I cannot remove the mounting bracket from the glass, will the glass come out with the mounting on it, once the strip has been removed?
Thanks
 
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Have just finished polishing all the ss trim for my Berlina doors, and the felts were not stapled in, there were just several 'pinch' points where the ss trim had been pinched to lock the felt in place. Did Giulia and Berlina have different fixing methods?
 
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I did not remove the wide vert trim....just the three sided trim first before the horizontal piece.
Yeah the glass is very tightly clamped on the bottom by its bracket. The bracket doesn't have to be removed once the trim with the felt is out. Then it slides out. A bit tricky.
 
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Im in the middle of this and really appreciate all the tips.
I did this on my Berlina and it just pinched to hold the felt, they def figured out a better way after the Giulias.
Cleaning, polishing, prepping and installing all the ss window trim is a hurtle I had hoped not to repeat.
thanks again

followup, I ended up using vht tape and 3/8 pop rivets to secure them.
was missing the front inside trim, but found a set on ebay.
Ill pop the extra bits back on there in case someone is missing one as well.
then i starting looking at the outer trim and all but 2 look great, just need a clean and polish
2 are twisted and may come back. Ill work them a bit, cant be any worse.
 

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