[Scuderia Svezia]

Hello Scuderia Svezia,

Thank you for the addition.As I recall, there was/were swedish GTA's with Topcon livery. I do not know of a GTAm with this livery, but I can't check that right now because I am not at home. Could you upload the picture of the car that you mean?

Ciao, Olaf

Apologies, my mistake Olaf, the Topcon car was a GTA 1300 Junior.

However, on the same page (p.87) there is an interesting picture of a "rally-look-alike" GTAm - the Castrol-sponsored "Bertorelli GTAm" run by Roger Clark in Thruxton. Little info other than the text to the picture.

 

[AlfaRonny]

Said to be Bertorelli-Clark @ Silverstone 6H '72

 

[giamba_ps]

interesting picture , this car has ( had) the very rare autodelta plastic bumper , extended version of the original bumper to fit the flared fenders .
Has anyone ever seen one of these that has survived? i recall it had a special autodelta number on the homologation sheets, i thnk i have posted this before , but a little reminder never hirts , it would be nice to see some modern day pictures of this 2 piece part riveted in the middle.
giamba

 

[kengta]

Apologies, my mistake Olaf, the Topcon car was a GTA 1300 Junior.

However, on the same page (p.87) there is an interesting picture of a "rally-look-alike" GTAm - the Castrol-sponsored "Bertorelli GTAm" run by Roger Clark in Thruxton. Little info other than the text to the picture.

The Bertorelli GTAm is on pg 85 in my 1996 second edition of Tipler as race #27F, same UK Lic #.

Offered for sale in UK by Bertorelli in early 1974. Said to be a 1971 Auto Delta Team Car s/n 1530849, Red with 2000GTAm engine, Spica FI, 8 Plug head, sliding block etc.

Ken

 

[South Africa]

GTAm -ex Bertorelli

Well spotted Ken. Had not noticed this before!

For those with the Updated and Enlarged Second Edition (Published 2003 and reprinted 2004) it is on page 87.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

interesting picture , this car has ( had) the very rare autodelta plastic bumper , extended version of the original bumper to fit the flared fenders .
Has anyone ever seen one of these that has survived? i recall it had a special autodelta number on the homologation sheets, i thnk i have posted this before , but a little reminder never hirts , it would be nice to see some modern day pictures of this 2 piece part riveted in the middle.
giamba

Hello Giamba,

I haven't seen one in real life. And in pictures the ones I saw were from the Cevennes and Tour de France rally/road races as they are posted in this thread.

Ciao, Olaf

 

[vsharp]

The Bertorelli GTAm is on pg 85 in my 1996 second edition of Tipler as race #27F, same UK Lic #.

Offered for sale in UK by Bertorelli in early 1974. Said to be a 1971 Auto Delta Team Car s/n 1530849, Red with 2000GTAm engine, Spica FI, 8 Plug head, sliding block etc.

Ken

This cars restoration was featured in 2 Supercar classics issues in '88.
Its s/n 1530849 is listed by Tabucchi as Autodelta January 1970, which seems about right in chronological order. However, the pictures of it both in Supercar and Alleggerita show a hanging pedal car with the large inlet side clearance inner R/hand skirt as well. From what US people tell me of 10553 USA cars, this seems to me to be a feature of models that should be a bit later than #0849, '70. So, when exactley did the hanging pedals appear on US cars?
I have spent quite a bit of time trying to work out if the standing pedals , early GTA clutch, gearbox and bellhousing, and various other oddities that came with#1068 (24th Feb '70) are correct, and period photos of it do seem to confirm most. I was also relieved to see the example in the Alfa Museum last year also had these features, as I recall it is also an early number. So why would #0849 be different? Did US model cars have different configurations in a very short period?
Vince.

 

[South Africa]

GTAm - .....849

Hi there Vince,

The restoration of this vehicle was performed by OMICRON in England in the 1980's as per the article you mention. Some years ago I spoke to the owner of OMICRON to obtain any orther records of the restoration but he advised me that none of the material was kept. If I remember correctly the body was in such poor condition that a replacement was obtained for the restoration - this might explain some of the differences.

The car subsequently suffered an engine failure and was repaired by MP Racing - I believe I have posted a photograph of this car in 'that' workshop elsewhere on the BB. I have also spoken to the owner of MP Racing but he has no further photographs or information on this car.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

interesting picture , this car has ( had) the very rare autodelta plastic bumper , extended version of the original bumper to fit the flared fenders .
Has anyone ever seen one of these that has survived? i recall it had a special autodelta number on the homologation sheets, i thnk i have posted this before , but a little reminder never hirts , it would be nice to see some modern day pictures of this 2 piece part riveted in the middle.
giamba

Hello Giamba,

Here is another one. Said to be a 1971 GTAm during the Monte Carlo rally.
Driver is Barailler. The source is: encyclopedia Monte Carlo

GTAm´s in roadraces:

Tour de France 1970
# 58 Pianta / Alemani Alfa Romeo GTAm 7th overall TS2.0
# 60 Dieudonnée / Curien Alfa Romeo GTAm 14th overall TS2.0
# 56 Verrier / Vanson Alfa Romeo GTAm DNF TS2.0
# 57 Barailler / Fayel Alfa Romeo GTAm DNF TS2.0
# 59 Darniche / Demange Alfa Romeo GTAm DNF TS2.0

Tour de France 1971
# 57 Chasseuil / Baron Alfa Romeo GTAm SOFAR 16th overall and 2nd in class TS2.0
# 58 Guitteny / Dhôtel Alfa Romeo GTAm SOFAR Accident TS2.0

Critérium des Cévennes 1970
3 GTAM's entered by SOFAR:
#45 MI L47391 driven by "Christine"-"Biche" (15th) Winner "Coupe des Dames"
#46 MI L47393 driven by Barailler-Fayel (4th) #1531230 (Photographer M. Zurini on the left of the picture)
#47 MI K63991 driven by Consten-Todt (3th)

Also have a look at page 6 of this thread (additions of Alfa Ronny).

I left out the cars that took part in the Monte Carlo rally. More to come!

Ciao, Olaf

 

[giamba_ps]

wow olaf grat pictures , lets see if someone has one of these bumpers lying around still to see how it looekd like ! thanks giamba

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Dear members,

Today I had the opportunity to talk to the owner of GTAm #1530841. It was at the Spettacolo Sportivo of the Dutch Alfa Romeo Owners Club at Zandvoort in The Netherlands. I have seen the chassisnumber.
Here are some pictures of the car in its present state.

Ciao! Olaf

 

[F1 Tommy]

Its amazing how the rare Alfa owners don't restore their cars to period correct. That GTAM has many details that are not correct just on the outside. I think the rare Ferrari and Maserati owners restore their cars to a much higher quality.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 2012

 

[aguirola]

Its amazing how the rare Alfa owners don't restore their cars to period correct. That GTAM has many details that are not correct just on the outside. I think the rare Ferrari and Maserati owners restore their cars to a much higher quality.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 2012

+1

Regards, Alberto

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Its amazing how the rare Alfa owners don't restore their cars to period correct. That GTAM has many details that are not correct just on the outside. I think the rare Ferrari and Maserati owners restore their cars to a much higher quality.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 2012

Hello Tom,

This car hasn´t been restored ......
After its career on the circuit is has been used for hillclimbing competition. The suspension was modified to keep the car level at the start. At the moment it carries a 16 valve 2 liter GTAm engine, the original GTAm engine is with the car. Things like the original copper expansion tank, GTAm radiator, suspension, brakes and sliding block rear axle are in the car as is the twin booster system.

Ciao, Olaf

 

[Veep]

what is correct where Autodelta built maybe no car exactly the same as another? and remember it are racing specials, build to the rules of the raceclass they would compete in, and that differed also a lot , not only then, also now.
Instead of picking on little stuff one should be glad that owners use and show their cars, imho.

 

[papajam]

Its amazing how the rare Alfa owners don't restore their cars to period correct. I think the rare Ferrari and Maserati owners restore their cars to a much higher quality.

Quality and correctness are not the same.
There are incorrect cars out there done to a high quality standard as well as correct cars of poor quality.

 

[F1 Tommy]

Well, Ferrari and Maserati built just as many changes if not more into all their race cars.
Its interesting that it has not been restored, but it has been gone over and repainted. Such a car if it was a Ferrari racer would have been gone over and made to look correct atleast on the outside. Maybe its about MONEY??

A quality restoration is period correct. This is a vintage race car, not a custom.

Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2012-Chicago March 2012

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Instead of picking on little stuff one should be glad that owners use and show their cars, imho.

Hello Veep,

+1

Ciao, Olaf

 

[F1 Tommy]

Well it would be even better if they had a perfectly restored to as raced by the factory back in the early 1970's. We have plenty of replica GTAM's to look at if all you want is to see what one should sort of look and sound like.
This is a special car that should be restored correctly. The Ferrari guys seem to understand that. The Alfa guys seem to be on a tighter budget.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Well it would be even better if they had a perfectly restored to as raced by the factory back in the early 1970's. We have plenty of replica GTAM's to look at if all you want is to see what one should sort of look and sound like.
This is a special car that should be restored correctly. The Ferrari guys seem to understand that. The Alfa guys seem to be on a tighter budget.

Hello Tom,

You are entitled to your opinion. As is everybody here on alfabb. Because you already seem to know that budget is the reason, I will leave it at that.

Ciao, Olaf