[martinue]

1368261 was raced shortly after production and purchase in mid 1969 in standard configuration. It was fitted with wide GTAm fenders in mid 1970 and photos confirm that it was raced in a handful of races but I could not see Autodelta stickers on it. Driver Duilio Ghislotti offered the car in early 1971 via Autosprint magazine with Autodelta specs but without engine. The next owner left no traces but in 1979/1980 it was raced again by Elio Casagrande as was written in the 2014 auction text. I found some entries but by now I have no confirmation that it was this very car.

Of course it should be named GTAm but it was no works car. It seems that the official number of 40 GTAms produced meant only works cars purchased by the factory or by the respective importers.

 

[Sergio105]

Certainly I can say that the car was sold after the death of Chiapparini in 2003 (to Mario Petrella?). I don't know more.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

1368261 was raced shortly after production and purchase in mid 1969 in standard configuration. It was fitted with wide GTAm fenders in mid 1970 and photos confirm that it was raced in a handful of races but I could not see Autodelta stickers on it. Driver Duilio Ghislotti offered the car in early 1971 via Autosprint magazine with Autodelta specs but without engine. The next owner left no traces but in 1979/1980 it was raced again by Elio Casagrande as was written in the 2014 auction text. I found some entries but by now I have no confirmation that it was this very car.

Of course it should be named GTAm but it was no works car. It seems that the official number of 40 GTAms produced meant only works cars purchased by the factory or by the respective importers.

Hello Martin,

I was a bit too harsh calling #1368261 a replica!
It certainly wasn't one of the cars built by Autodelta, just as you stated.
For me, this car would qualify under:

• new or existing cars converted to GTAm spec's by other tuners/teams with parts from a specific tuner or a combination of Autodelta, Angelini, Balduzzi, Facetti and other parts like the Balduzzi cars (Tony Adriaensens mentions this in his book)

For the readers; check out post #500 for more categories of GTAm cars.
Thank you for your information on this car. I couldn't find results for #1368261 and have some extra research to do.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[gpv]

Hello Members a week ago a new GTAm from france posted by Alfattitude and i spoke with the guy who assemble it and he sent some photos which unfortunately i can't post, but the car it is original and i don't have the chassis number but it is indeed original , also it has the tail lights of 2000 GTV!

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hello Members a week ago a new GTAm from france posted by Alfattitude and i spoke with the guy who assemble it and he sent some photos which unfortunately i can't post, but the car it is original and i don't have the chassis number but it is indeed original , also it has the tail lights of 2000 GTV!

Hello GPV,

Can you tell us more about this car?
Martinue hinted at a car in France being restored.

Ciao, Olaf

GTAm chassisnumbers

** The latest compilation of the info and the chassisnumbers as of May 2022 can be found on page 21, in post #404 (and further). Hello members, In some of our threads here, we discussed the GTAm chassisnumbers that we know of from various sources and that could be genuime. I thought it was...

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[kengta]

Hello Members a week ago a new GTAm from france posted by Alfattitude and i spoke with the guy who assemble it and he sent some photos which unfortunately i can't post, but the car it is original and i don't have the chassis number but it is indeed original , also it has the tail lights of 2000 GTV!

I couldn't find at Alfatitude, post a link please.

Ken

 

[gpv]

Hello JPV,

Can you tell us more about this car?
Martinue hinted at a car in France being restored.

Ciao, Olaf

GTAm chassisnumbers

** The latest compilation of the info and the chassisnumbers as of May 2022 can be found on page 21, in post #404 (and further). Hello members, In some of our threads here, we discussed the GTAm chassisnumbers that we know of from various sources and that could be genuime. I thought it was...

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The car has been restored but it has some paint flaws and some mods for example: "manufacture of the exhaust assembly of the tank with its strap assembly of the battery in the trunk with its cut battery which passes through the rear window as at the time assembly of the plastic windows"

I couldn't find at Alfatitude, post a link please.

Ken

Alfattitude

In the world of vintage touring racing, exists a select group of legendary vehicles that capture the imagination of all motorsport enthusiasts - the original GTAMs by Autodelta. These remarkable...

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[kengta]

Here's what LATTITUDE IS SAYING. Some of which is yet to be proved and some just wrong. If there are documents from before the Marino purchase, these need to be examined. To be clear the original body was scrapped after the Sanair crash and another body was sourced in the USA. Mechanical parts were transfered to the obtained body, original body stamping was not retained and went to the scrap yard with the smashed chassis.

They say
"In the world of vintage touring racing, exists a select group of legendary vehicles that capture the imagination of all motorsport enthusiasts - the original GTAMs by Autodelta. These remarkable machines built by Alfa Romeo racing division occupy a higher position in any alfista’s pecking order, a status akin to that of a mythical unicorn. We love all Alfas equally, but within this exclusive fraternity, an original GTAM Autodelta Works car stands out as a truly exceptional Biscione.
Jean-Christophe of Arnage Classic Cars explains:

“Our GTAM Autodelta Works car has perhaps one of the most documented history among the very few GTAMs made by Autodelta, still carrying its absolutely original condition…
The car’s file contains some gems such as many original pictures in period, logbooks from several races, and many first issue Autodelta documents. Even the original Autodelta invoice signed by Ingegnere Carlo Chiti is present!

This GTAM was driven by Drago Regvart, a Yugoslavian driver member of “School of Zagreb” race team, with the support of Balduzzi Team who ran the car in period.
With a very special 16 valve engine provided by Autodelta Factory, Drago Regvart and Lang won their class at the 1973 Monza 4 hours race.
After the race, the original Testa Stretta engine was fitted to the car and subsequently shipped to Montreal, Canada to its new owner - Franco Marino, an Italian mechanic living in Canada.
Marino raced the car in Canada and the US, and after a crash at Sanair in 1974 and the rebuild with a new body imported again from Italy, he continued racing until 1977, when he sold the car to a very famous Alfa Romeo collection in the USA - Jay Iliohan - a collection hosting some of the best Alfa Romeo race cars such as the Tipo 33 race car, TZ, SZ, GTA. From then on it remained untouched for more than 30 years…
After purchasing the car, we tried to keep it as original as we found it, only restoring the mechanical parts and its very rare and original Testa Stretta engine, still working with the Lucas Guillotine injection system.”

Photos 1 to 7 by Rémi Dargegen Photography; 8 to 10 by @oconfilm.

#Autodelta #AlfaRomeo #GiuliaGTAm"

BTW, I am pretty sure Marino was an Italian Canadian mechanic/shop owner not an Italian mechanic living in Canada.

Regards
Ken

 

[Takis]

Pedal and servo arrangement, confirmed by in period or today's pictures.

TIPO 105.44 with standing pedals,
AR 1350034, AR 1368261.

TIPO 105.44 with hanging pedals,
AR 1378479, AR 1382607.

TIPO 105.51 with standing pedals and dual servos,
AR 1530671, AR 1530782, AR 1530834, AR 1530841, AR 1530848, AR 1530896, AR 1530938, AR 1530952, AR 1531034, AR 1531039, AR 1531042, AR 1531230.

TIPO 105.51 with standing pedals and single servo,
AR 1531068, AR 1531231.

TIPO 105.51 with hanging pedals,
AR 1530840 (!), AR 1530849 (!), AR 1532099, AR 1532307, AR 1532346.

There are further GTAm chassis numbers, in my archive I can only confirm the above, if another one comes to my knowledge I will update the list, if any fellow member can contribute to the list, they are welcomed.
Thank you.
Takis.

 

[Biscione]

Along the lines of this discussion, but somewhat of a departure; here below is an image of the GT Am Homologation papers showing tipo 105.51 with chassis no. 153xxxx.

Did Alfa also homologate the other tipo 105.44 cars, as GT Am models ?

 

[vsharp]

Certainly the tipo105.51 was the initial model homologated in order to enable the use of Fuel Injection.
Beyond this there were several other GTAm built in period with Euro Chassis numbers, so what transpired I do not know. Did the FIA relax its policy?, or did the regulation simply change relative to a basic car model to include other market numbers? Perhaps once it was shown that Alfa were actually manufacturing F.Inj cars as a mass-produced product, the rules relaxed.
I believe that the initial regulation requirement was to only allow the use of F.Inj on a car that was a mass-produced model originally fitted with F.Inj. This was to stop a manufacturer using carburetors only from making say 6 special cars with F.Inj for racing.
As time progressed very rapidly, the whole 'homologated special parts' made this thinking redundant as so many of the parts were 'race only' special parts anyway.

 

[Takis]

With the homologation papers, as shown by Biscione, they not only homologated the tipo and chassis numbers. They also homologated all the special parts that were produced in order to make a GTAm racing car.
In period not only Autodelta made GTAm's but certain shops or importers or dealers could order those special parts and transform a 1750 euro model to a GTAm racing machine.
Could have not only been 1750s, could they be 2000 GTVs, even 1300/1600 GT Juniors, transformed in period, everything was possible....
Takis.

 

[gpv]

Hello Members a couple days ago i found that the Jolly GTAm is going for auction but the details of the car and the photos is private, the car it is very good shape and they have about 80 photos showing the car from everywhere!

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hello Members a couple days ago i found that the Jolly GTAm is going for auction but the details of the car and the photos is private, the car it is very good shape and they have about 80 photos showing the car from everywhere!

Hello GPV,

Do you have a link where we can see it?

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[gpv]

Hello GPV,

Do you have a link where we can see it?

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

Here Is the link:1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm
And here is the photos:https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0009/0849/2853/files/AR_GTAM_JOLLY-1.jpg?v=1687892501

You go up there that it said 1 and you type the number, the number goes to 80, so it has 80 photos!

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Dear members,

In this and the following posts in another thread, we are discussing the fact that some 1750 GTAm's (based on the 105.51 first series 1750 GTV US) now have hanging pedals instead of the standing pedals they were delivered with.

Experts told us that it makes more sense to swap the complete bodyshell than to convert a standing pedal car to a hanging pedal car.

One of the cars now has hanging pedals. It is #1530849.
Why does this car now have hanging pedals? Can we find out what happened in this case? Are there clues to when and why?

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

More details here:

AR1530849 GTAm & transition to hanging pedal GTAm's

Dear members, While looking at the car donrencos featured, I saw this passing on the same website. Find the description below. https://www.rmd.be/cars-for-sale/car/view/1/261/ex-autodelta-alfa-romeo-2000-gtam Quote: ex-Autodelta Alfa Romeo 2000 GTAm Make: Alfa Romeo Model: Autodelta...

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[Zagato_Olaf]

Dear members

On facebook, another Autodelta 1750 GTAm is featured by Scuderia del Portello, who represent Alfa Romeo in the classic car races.

It is the car that crashed at Spa killing Larini in 1973, chassis number #1530952. Check out the picture by Paul Kooyman; source mentioned. And the replies by GTV2000 and TheoXydias with pictures of the wrecked car in the posts following this one.

We see the car representing #1530952 pictured in recent years. Given the condition of the wreck in 1973, that must have been quite a difficult "restoration".
Restoration between brackets because I wonder how much of the genuine car has been "saved". Not much is my impression. 😉😎🙃

Here is the text from the facebook post;

Quote;

"🍀WHEN LEGENDS STILL LIVE🍀
ALFA ROMEO GTAm
1970 - 2023.
Official Autodelta car in the international races between 1970 and 1973, it boasts a palmarès with participations and triumphs in famous races at the Nürburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Zandvoort, Jarama, Imola, Paul Ricard, Salzburgring and Mantorp Park, driven by champions such as de Adamich, Picchi, Hezemans, Facetti, Zeccoli, Venturi, Dini, Donà, Colzani, Steenberg, van Lennep and Larini.

The last one died in the tragic accident at Spa-Francorchamps on 21 July 1973.

In 2018 this car was restored and prepared by Scuderia del Portello in collaboration with the Alfa Romeo Classiche workshop of FCA Heritage and it was brought back to the race tracks. In 1970, with the race number 27, it won the 1st overall place at the Nürburgring 6 Hours driven by the crew Picchi – de Adamich."
Unquote.

Here is the link to the facebook post and a picture of the car before the race;

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid021Tfc5emeHNBFytv1Q4NsRhJqHd5xASQBBrJRr1p7YE7EmZuPFDz8fZb5MBRL5YbDl&id=100064501280426

 

[gtv2000]

Think of the wise guy who, 50 years ago, saved these remains bearing in mind the nice guys from the Scuderia who would restore it 45 years later...

 

[donrencos]

With Mr. P. as a consultant....

 

[vsharp]

Yes, a difficult restoration.....better perhaps a resurrection?.... indeed a true miracle with no earthly explanation.