[TheoXydias_YoutubeChannel]

Here is another photo of Larini car. Totally bend. If i don't see photos of the restoraton seeing just a car saying it's this one propably (and i have no proof) that's a recreation not a restoration. As it happens in mini community.

 

[gtv2000]

In today's world, the picture of the Scuderia's car is to be seen as an "alternative fact" to the period pictures.

I grew in a world where the concept of "insult to someone's intelligence" had some meaning and relevance. In the current "post-truth" world, any "earthly explanation" is irrelevant.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

In today's world, the picture of the Scuderia's car is to be seen as an "alternative fact" to the period pictures.

I grew in a world where the concept of "insult to someone's intelligence" had some meaning and relevance. In the current "post-truth" world, any "earthly explanation" is irrelevant.

** Edited **
I will keep pushing back against the "fact-free" world or one where "alternative facts" are used.
Better, finding out the facts behind a story is the fun!
That is my passion and my mission here on alfabb. Especially when 60's and 70's Alfa Romeo race cars are concerned. For example types like the 1750 GTAm and the TZ /TZ-2.

Perhaps being a bit nerdy or blunt in my communication, that is what the Dutch are known for. 😊
But trying to make the posts interesting for all people with different levels of knowledge on the topic. And giving room for other ideas and opinions as surprises are allways possible with Alfa Romeo topics.

And this is a group effort, let that be clear! This thread wouldn't be possible without the members reading, giving input and adding knowledge!

Olaf👌🍀

 

[kengta]

You are right Olaf, if we know the whole true story then car is what it is and the market will set a value. K

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Dear members,

Today I saw the first 6 pictures below appear on FB. This is said to be the 1973 Spa 24 hours startnumber #50 1750 GTAm.
That car crashed in the 24 hour race and Massimo Larini was killed. He drove the car together with Facetti.

This car was said to be restored in 2018. The car would have to be in storage from 1973 untill 2018.
Then the complete front and rear of the car, including the roof and the floor, would have to be straightened out and re-aligned.

Maybe Autodelta replaced the car back in 1973 with another one? For example to save money on the carnets that were mandatory when these cars travelled outside of Italy?
In that case, the history of this chassis number would have extended beyond the crash date.

Given the extensive damage to the bodyshell and the way race cars were used, the chances that the actual 1973 bodyshell was restored, seem "very slim".
In-period, it made more sense to brake up the crashed car after taking of the still useable bits.
And by 1973, the GTAm was becoming obsolete. Why make the effort to rebuild a crashed car at that moment in time.

In my view, the restored car seems likely to be a reconstruction* or a resurrection*.
Draw your conclusions and tell me what you think.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

* Please read about the definitions of reconstruction and resurrection here:

Classification for historic (racing) cars.

Dear members, Today I received a copy of the book 'Directory of historic racing cars' written by Denis Jenkinson in 1987 and published by Aston Publications Ltd. In this book is a 'glossary of terms' that discribes how historic (racing) cars were classified by Denis in order to get an...

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[aguirola]

Hello Olaf, I think you are spot on. Just to rebuild this car...you need a whole new one.
Maybe 1 door a few wheels are salvageable.
The mechanicals, yes, but the body, you would have to undo AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
the spot welds, then straighten the ... everything. This would be very visible in the new car, if it exists as such.

Regards, Alberto

 

[South Africa]

The wheels may have been very strong - they look relatively undamaged?

Even the differential casing is broken?

Use the firewall - straighten and use all new/remanufactured/salvaged parts!

 

[gtv2000]

Think about the Scuderia del Portello...

 

[South Africa]

Caveat emptor……

Think about Alfaholics……

Think about all the reproduction items available - doors, fenders, sills, roof, floors, rims, engines, …………..

 

[Sergio105]

How can it not be authentic?? it's also signed!

 

[gtv2000]

How can it not be authentic?? it's also signed!

Does it count among the available reproduction items?

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

The wheels may have been very strong - they look relatively undamaged?

Even the differential casing is broken?

Use the firewall - straighten and use all new/remanufactured/salvaged parts!

There are more pictures of this crashed 1750 GTAm, but they aren't mine to share.

As you said, you could use salvaged plus new and remanufactured parts, to reconstruct or resurrect the car.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[Takis]

1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce iniezione America tipo 105.51 telaio 1530952.
According to the book Giuda all'identificazione Alfa Romeo by Maurizio Tabucchi, in 1970 the tipo 105.51 had chassis numbers from 1530708 to 1531232.
Inside the book GTA by Maurizio Tabucchi on page 243, there is a list of
"Vetture 1750 GT Veloce America serie 105.51 vendute all'Autodelta o comuque destinate all'impiego agonistico e transformate in GTAm.."
This list includes 1530952 amongst 15 more 105.51 chassis and 2 105.44 chassis, and gives a date of 26.01.1970 and a licence plate MI L 27247, for chassis 1530952. So this particular car is an official Autodelta prepared and raced GTAm.

1530952 entered the 1970 European Touring Car Championship.
It was raced in Brno 24.05.1970 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 67 driven by Nanni Galli, started the race in 5th position but failed to finish due to mechanical issue.

1530952 entered the race at Silverstone on 27.06.1970 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 35 driven by Nanni Galli, started 6th on the grid and finished 8th, 4th and 3rd in the different heats.

1530952 entered the race at Nurburgring on 12.07.1970 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 27 driven by Andrea de Adamich and Gian Luigi Picchi, started the race in 2nd position and won the race.

1530952 entered the race at Spa on 26.07.1970 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 24 driven by Toine Hezemans and Gerard Larrousse, started the race in 7th position but falied to finish due to mechanical issue.

For the next race at Zandvoort 30.08.1970, in my archive, I do not have the evidence whether 1530952 was entered, if the car in the right front of the grid, is 1530952 (as seen on the picture below) I cannot confirm. If it is indeed 1530952 it was an official Autodelta entry with race number 26 driven by Toine Hezemans started 1st but did not finish due to an accident. (if a fellow member has proof of 1530952 is indeed the specific entry, please feel free to comment).

TO BE CONTINUED....

 

[Takis]

1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce Iniezione America tipo 105.51 telaio 1530952.
Continue from post #573

1530952 entered the race at Nurburgring on 11.07.1971 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 29 driven by Anton Fischhaber and Hans Hessel, they finished 36th overall.

1530952 entered the race at Spa on 25.07.1971 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 42 driven by Toine Hezemans and Carlo Facetti, they started 12th and finished 3rd overall.

1530952 entered the race at Zandvoort on 29.08.1971 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 10 driven by Toine Hezemans started 3rd and finished 4th.

1530952 entered the race at Paul Ricard on 11.09.1971 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 20 driven by Gijs van Lennep and Toine Hezemans they started 10th and finished 3rd overall.

1530952 entered the race at Jarama on 30.10.1971 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 27 driven by Toine Hezemans and Carlo Facetti they started 4th and finished 2nd overall.

A coprehensive video of the Jarama race.

1530952 entered the race at Monza on 19.03.1972 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 21 (?) or 23 (?) driven by Toine Hezemans and Carlo Facetti they started 11th and finished 5th overall.
1530952 under number 21 was supposed to race by Gian Luigi Picchi and Teodoro Zeccoli but instead it was raced under number 23 by Toine Hezemans and Carlo Facetti, there is a question mark since the pictures only show 1530952 with race number 21.

1530952 entered the race at Salzburgring on 20.05.1973 as an official Autodelta entry driven by Carlo Facetti and Spartaco Dini they started 13th and finished 5th overall.

1530952 entered the race at Mantorp Park on 03.06.1973 as an official Autodelta entry driven by Bjorn Steenberg and Carlo Facetti they started 14th and finished 7th overall.

1530952 entered the race at Nurburgring on 08.07.1973 as an official Autodelta entry with race 26 driven by Spartaco Dini and Carlo Facetti started 15th and finished 4th overall.

1530952 entered the race at Spa on 22.07.1973 as an official Autodelta entry with race number 50 driven by Massimo Larini and Carlo Facetti they started 13th overall but did not finish due to the fatal accident in which Massimo Larini lost his life.

TO BE CONTINUED....

 

[Takis]

1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce Iniezione America tipo 105.51 telaio 1530952.
Continue from post #574.

The result (remains) of the race at Spa on 22.07.1973 can be seen at post #561 by TheoXydias_YoutubeChannel.

1530952 during its race life.
Three different configurations for the fuel tank as can be seen on the following pictures.

Nurburgring 12.07.1970.

Spa 25.07.1971

Spa 22.07.1973

Difference for the outside door handle.

Nurburgring 12.07.1970 outside standard door handle.

Zandvoort 29.08.1971 outside GTA type door handle.

Monza 19.03.1972 outside standard door handle.

The above posts are not complete, facts and details regarding 1530952 are still out there to be found.
If any fellow member has something to add, is very welcomed.

Very helpful have been:
Books: GTA by Maurizio Tabucchi, Alleggerita by Tony Adriaensens, Guida all' identificazione Alfa Romeo by Maurizio Tabucchi, Carlo Chiti, Sinfoni ruggente by Oscar Orefici, Alfa Romeo Giulia coupe GT & GTA by John Tipler, Alfa Romeo revived by David G Styles.
The internet page, racingsportscars.com which includes pictures from Paul Kooyman, DPPI, Mr Gronsky, Autobelle.it, Guy Thonus, Vladimir Pajevic.
Great help is surely AlfaBB, inside which we have found a great way to express our passion for Alfa Romeo.

Any comment is appreciated and welcomed.

Thank you.
Takis.

 

[Veep]

also differences in fuel filler location. left, right or no filler visible, standard bootlid without opening.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

Hello Takis,

Thank you for this wrap up of the history of the Giallo Ocra Autodelta 1750 GTAm chassisnumber #1530952. 👌🍀

The 1973 Spa 24 hours was the last contest, in which this car took part. Facetti and Larini were driving. Larini crashed the car at night and unfortunately didn't survive the accident. The car was completely bent.

A car representing #1530952 is part of the Scuderia dell Portello today (2023). According to members of the Scuderia, the crashed car has been in storage from 1973 untill 2018. Then it was apparently restored.

No pictures of the crashed car, before the restoration started, have surfaced yet. That makes me weary.

Given the extensive damage, a restoration of the original bodyshell doesn't seem to be a viable option in my opinion. Off course everything is possible, but given the hours needed and material to work with, is it likely?
The longer you look at the pictures, the more you will see the extent of the damage to the bodyshell and the mechanical components.
For example; Look at the differential housing and parts of the back axle. And the angle of the gearbox/exhaust and the floor of the car.

Using a replacement bodyshell to do a "resurrection" or "reconstruction" of the car, seems a more credible and realistic/economic way of working to me.
But hey, everything is possible. 😉🍀

What a resurrection or reconstruction means, can be found in the "Glossary of terms". These were defined by Denis Jenkinson and can be found here on Alfabb through the search option.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[Sergio105]

I hope to have the opportunity to ask the good Carlo Facetti if he has any memories of this car after the crash...

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

I hope to have the opportunity to ask the good Carlo Facetti if he has any memories of this car after the crash...

Hello Sergio,

I have been talking to one of Carlo Facetti's relatives via Facebook. She didn't want to say too much about it. Which I understand.
She told me that it was the first time that Carlo Facetti and Massimo Larini were put together as a team.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[Takis]

While searching through my archives today. Correspondence with Signora Elvira Ruocco came up, from May of 2000.
Through facsimile...!!!!!
I send her, amongst other chassis, the chassis number 1532099 of the Castrol GTAm that lives here in Greece, it was under restoration back then, we wanted to trace its origins.
I believe it is readable from the picture of the facsimile message.
As always signora Elvira Ruocco, informed us that her answer is provided for information use only and does not certify the authenticity of the cars.
So I go along with her request, only trying to shed more light.

So according to Centro Documentazione, chassis number 1532099 corresponds to a 1750 GT Veloce tipo 105.51 USA edition, manufactured on the 14th of January 1971 and sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas in Athens.

Questions that are raised from this facsimile message...
Did the car arrived as a complete car here in Greece?
Was the car transformed to an Autodelta racing machine by Autodelta and then shipped to Greece?
Was the car transformed to Autodelta racing machine, here in Greece by Motor Hellas, with parts that Autodelta sent?

If any fellow members have more information, they are welcomed.

Thank you.
Takis.