[Zagato_Olaf]

Dear members,

A recap.
We are looking at the Greek restored "Castrol GTAm" with #1532099 and are checking if this specific chassisnumber is indeed the same as the Fotiadis car seen in the pictures in the 1970's. There are some leads, Theo is looking into that when he can.
And we are checking where the Greek GTAm was built. At Autodelta in Italy or (more likely at the moment) at Motor Hellas in Greece?

Then we are talking about the red "ex-Tavoletti GTAm" offered for sale recently, with chassisnumber #1350034. GTV6SA noticed this car and posted it. Martinue posted a comment regarding this car here. GTV6SA had some questions on the technical state/spec's and parts of the car. The RIAR plate #244 will give a lot clearity. Is it for the whole car or is it for the engine only? I didn't remember this thread.

A "GTAm" with chassisnumber #1350034.

Hello members, Here are some pictures from the "GTAm" from the Giacomo Tavoletti collection. The "GTAm" with #1350034 seems to have a RIAR plate with nr 244 (thank you Sergio for the picture further down the thread) on the dashboard. That means it is a very early (1968?) 105.44 type 1750 GTV...

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And then there is the "GTAm" with chassis number #1532024, offered for sale. Martinue gave his insights and checked a link to one of the Drago Regvart GTAm's. Others noticed technical details on the car.

En passant we noticed the "Prototype GTAm", also an ex-Tavoletti collection car, in fact a widened 1964 Sprint GT with a special Autodelta 1500cc "Marino 91" engine for powerboat racing. This car has been talked about more extensively in another thread. The RIAR plate on this car was for the engine only.

Ciao, Olaf👌🍀

The most recent overall list of genuine 1750 GTAm's can be seen in post #500.

 

[PSk]

Do we know this car: Tour Auto 2023

Pete

 

[Takis]

Do we know this car: Tour Auto 2023

Pete

Is it AR 1368261 (a replica) or AR 1366261 (a replica)???
On both pictures, it seems to be the same car, but both sources give a different chassis number. Both chassis numbers apply to a 1969 1750 GTV 1a serie.
Can anyone enlighten us??
Takis.

 

[Sergio105]

1368261, ex Chiapparini's car.
Photos taken by me personally in his workshop.

 

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It seems like 100 years have passed instead of 20...

 

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[Zagato_Olaf]

Is it AR 1368261 (a replica) or AR 1366261 (a replica)???
On both pictures, it seems to be the same car, but both sources give a different chassis number. Both chassis numbers apply to a 1969 1750 GTV 1a serie.
Can anyone enlighten us??
Takis.

Thanks for the explanation on the chassisnumbers, Takis!

Thanks for your detailed pictures of the 1750 GTAm replica/copy #1368261, Sergio.

Are there details in some of these pictures, that you want to highlight and talk about?

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

P.S. Latest recap of the chassisnumbers in post #500 of this thread.

 

[Sergio105]

I just wanted to say that this GTAm was a transform of the time directly from Autodelta for a private customer (now I don't remember the name).
Surely someone, in their database, will have the data.
Chiapparini had restored it, as usual, as a concours d'elegance...

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

I just wanted to say that this GTAm was a transform of the time directly from Autodelta for a private customer (now I don't remember the name).
Surely someone, in their database, will have the data.
Chiapparini had restored it, as usual, as a concours d'elegance...

Hello Sergio,

Coming back to your question.
You noted that this is chassisnumber #1368261, an ex Chiapparini car.
It was built on the 28th of May of 1969.

LOT 539 of a Artcurial auction in 2014 states that it is a "1969 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV transformée GTAm s/n AR*1368261."
It isn't labelled as a 1750 GTAm in the text. But as a "transformée".
Important point.

This car hasn't been mentioned in the leading publications such as Tabucchi's 1994 book "Alfa Romeo GTA" nor in Adriaensens 1994 book "Alleggerita" 1st edition or in Adriaensens/Dasse/Übelher's 2nd edition of "Alleggerita" from 2012. A lot of research went into these books.
Crucial point.

Based on these and other facts, it made me qualify chassis #1368261 as a replica. That is my personal conclusion.
The pictures in your posts show the car in detail.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

 

[vsharp]

Hello Sergio,

Coming back to your question.
You noted that this is chassisnumber #1368261, an ex Chiapparini car.
It was built on the 28th of May of 1969.

LOT 539 of Artcurial in 2014 states that it is a "1969 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV transformée GTAm s/n AR*1368261."
It isn't labelled as a 1750 GTAm in the text. But as a "transformée".
Important point.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

Hello everyone,
Since all GTAms have been 'transformed' anyway from its production-line model to become a GTAM, the real questions should be when was it transformed, by who and what events if anything did it compete in?
If an original '70s period GTAm, then surely registration documents, FIA passport/logbook or database records of events with that chassis number must have existed. Also the same information for race entries and results, and appearances in period motorsport magazines for the car and then documented owner/driver.
Regards,
Vince.

 

[Zagato_Olaf]

The Certificato d'Origine states that vehicle 1532024 was built in 1971 and sold to the USA. I first noticed the GTAm offered by Auto Classic in 2009 when it was offered by Autoieri. It has a questionably stamped VIN and body and parts do not quite match. Not enough to include it in our book. Auto Classic has been offering it since 2018.

But there is a second story with a GTAm and the same VIN: In the spring of 1973, Italian-Canadian Frank Marino purchased a GTAm "ex Drago" through Autodelta, with lightweight doors and parts. He raced it until 19740929 when he crashed it into a wall at the Sanair Enduro. Marino then bought a new body shell from the second series and converted all usable parts. He then drove this car from 1975 to 1977. Marino sold it in Canada in 1989, after which it was sold to the USA. In 2018 a Frenchman bought it from this third owner and exported it. The Frenchman started a restoration and found that the original Marino car was 1532024.

So far so good. As an Autodelta affiliated driver/owner of a GTAm named Drago, the only possible candidate is Yugoslav Drago Regvart. He drove a white GTAm with lightweight doors in 1971, then a white and red GTAm with standard doors until 19730325 and a red GTAm in 1974, again with standard doors. 1532024 was originally delivered in white. Marino's first GTAm was delivered in April 1973.

In fact, Regvart's white GTAm was a Series 2 car with the wide taillights, while Marino's first GTAm was a Series 1 car with the small taillights. So the country doesn't fit for Regvart's first car, the body doesn't for Marino's first car.

A reference to the car being restored in France.

 

[Sergio105]

Hello Sergio,

Coming back to your question.
You noted that this is chassisnumber #1368261, an ex Chiapparini car.
It was built on the 28th of May of 1969.

LOT 539 of a Artcurial auction in 2014 states that it is a "1969 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV transformée GTAm s/n AR*1368261."
It isn't labelled as a 1750 GTAm in the text. But as a "transformée".
Important point.

This car hasn't been mentioned in the leading publications such as Tabucchi's 1994 book "Alfa Romeo GTA" nor in Adriaensens 1994 book "Alleggerita" 1st edition or in Adriaensens/Dasse/Übelher's 2nd edition of "Alleggerita" from 2012. A lot of research went into these books.
Crucial point.

Based on these and other facts, it made me qualify chassis #1368261 as a replica. That is my personal conclusion.
The pictures in your posts show the car in detail.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

Ciao Olaf,
I honestly don't know what exactly to answer. I arrived from Chiapparini in 1995 and that GTAm had just been finished being painted after a long restoration and was on 4 stands. As I said, Chiapparini told me (quickly) his story and I remember very well that he told me that the car had been transformed directly by Autodelta for a private customer. I have no other information unfortunately. As I said, if I had been far-sighted, I could have collected hundreds of pieces of information even if the good Renato was not a particularly talkative person while working.
eh eh...