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Discussion starter · #481 ·
Just to check:
E-44 was a GTA turned widebody with the classic front.

E-43/E-101 is supposed to be the same 1750 GTAm car because of details like the cross bar in the roll over, the liveries, sticker details and other stuff.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀
 
#482 · (Edited)
Greek GTAms:
I was focused on other Alfa Romeos for the last few years, so I may not be up to date with the Greek cars.

The first GTAm that came to Greece had the same livery than the two Belgian Grafo-GTAms for the 1971 Francorchamps 24h with Jean-Claude Franck/Robert Derom and Gérald Simonis/Luc Goris. They were white with golden Kent sponsorship. I can not tell the colour for the Greek car since I collected only b/w photos.

The first documented entry for the Greek GTAm might be the 19710725 race at the Tatoi(?) airfield on Kriti/Crete/Kreta with starting number 6(?) (Edit: obviously there were two events given for that date, one on an airfield at Kriti and another at Tatoi which is located in Athina/Athens/Athen and it is not confirmed that the photos with n. 6 are really from that date). This is the same weekend than when the 24h of Spa were held, so it cannot be one of the Belgian cars. The next entry for the GTAm that I have recorded was the 19711003 race at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos with n. 6; there the GTAm of Lakis Fotiadis is shown with big rear lights for a late car. This was the race in which Yannis "Mavros" Meimaridis had his fatal accident with the GTA. About a month later there was another race at Tatoi, in which Mavros' team partner Fotiadis did with n. 7 his last race, since he still was not fit to drive after his friend's tragic death he skipped racing.

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There were some other races that year for which I have no date: at Kérkyra/Corfu/Korfu the GTAm raced possibly with n. 7, the image description wrote also Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos 1970, but at this time there seem no late GTAm had been built. Further Mavros raced the hillclimb Omalos at Kriti/Crete/Kreta with n. 3. So Mavros and Fotiadis swapped the GTA and the GTAm within the team during 1971 and these races must have been before Mavros was killed. At the 1971 hillclimb Mont Parnassós a GTAm should have been involved in a fatal accident but I have not seen a second GTAm racing or read more about this event.

The 1972 season saw again only one GTAm in Greece, but it had a new livery because of the new Motor Hellas team sponsor Castrol. My first record is the 19720402 Tatoi race with n. 6, Georges Moschous was the new driver. But the car had small rear lights now. 19720829 or 19720903 Moschous raced at Voula with n. 4, and 19730128 again at Tatoi Moschous raced with n. 6. Further races with no date were at Tatoi with n. 3 (big rear lights) and a hillclimb at Athína/Athens/Athen, race number unknown (small rear lights). Since the other livery was not changed over the season it is most likely that the car was involved in a rear accident early that year and the damaged rear was fixed with a new panel of the older version. In both years the car had this “E 43” number plate, which was a kind of a dealer registration.

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In one of the following seasons 1973 or 1974 a GTAm with a new livery was raced with n. 5 at Tatoi. It had the same look like in 1971/1972 with a similar roll bar inside and the Alfa Romeo lettering on the windscreen. The registration was “E 101”, which was used for a standard GTV 2000 in the 1973 Rally Akrópolis(?) with n. 39 by Moschous/Zoubroulis, too, so the registration was interchangeable by the owner (there is also another race number n. 23 for Moschous given, the Greeks' memories seem not to be very accurate).

Image


After some years of no records, in 1978(?) the GTAm did a number of races at Tatoi: one of the first races was with n. 3, the windscreen had still the Alfa Romeo lettering and the roll bar is the same. But the grille was from an Alfetta and the car had got a front air dam and a rear spoiler. At least two more races were done there with n. 9 and n. 11, the Alfa Romeo lettering was gone, and the car had a big hoop on the bonnet, they say because of a Alfetta 16v engine fitted.

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Also in 1978 at Tatoi there was this wide single head light GTA/GTAJ/GTAm with n. 25 which seems to be the car that was raced in 1979 with n. 90 as a GTA 1300 and in about 1982 with n. 6 at a Rothmans sponsored rallye at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos as pictured in Alleggerita n. 1 by Tony Adriaensens and later photographed by "gtacorsa". In 2004 it was offered by Superstrada and via Mobile.de, “a GTA raced 1965-1971 and 1980-1983” but with hanging pedals and 1750 cc engine.

GTAm #1531231 was owned in the early 2000s near Athína/Athens/Athen but it seems it was bought at the 20011204 Christie's auction at London or a later 20030704 Christie's auction, so it was not one of the cars above.

The car in the films was obviously restored to 1972 livery, it is known since about the early 2000s, too. It has now a stripped interior with a wrong front panel and a wrong roll bar, VIN starts with “153”, the rest I could not read.
 
#484 ·
It seems the Greek 'E' license plates are what is known here as a 'trade service workshop or dealer plate'. This is registered to the business and not a specific car. It is used for transporting, testing and some other special reasons by the workshop on any car they work on, that is without a normal license registration.
I'm not sure about the possible repair of the Castrol car and the fitting of a new rear panel for the large rear lights...because the picture with large lights has a lower hole for reversing light, so it should be a small rear light panel anyway? Maybe the larger lights were just added to 'modernize' the look? So was the rear panel new or modified, or maybe the light bases modified to fit in the small openings...?
 
#485 ·
martinue said:
Greek GTAms:
I was focused on other Alfa Romeos for the last few years, so I may not be up to date with the Greek cars.

The first GTAm that came to Greece had the same livery than the two Belgian Grafo-GTAms for the 1971 Francorchamps 24h with Jean-Claude Franck/Robert Derom and Gérald Simonis/Luc Goris. They were white with golden Kent sponsorship. I can not tell the colour for the Greek car since I collected only b/w photos.

The first documented entry for the Greek GTAm might be the 19710725 race at the Tatoi airfield on Kriti/Crete/Kreta with starting number 6. This is the same weekend than when the 24h of Spa were held, so it cannot be one of the Belgian cars. The next entry for the GTAm that I have recorded was the 19711003 race at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos with n. 6; there the GTAm of Lakis Fotiadis is shown with big rear lights for a late car. This was the race in which Yannis "Mavros" Meimaridis had his fatal accident with the GTA. About a month later there was another race at Tatoi, in which Mavros' team partner Fotiadis did with n. 7 his last race, since he still was not fit to drive after his friend's tragic death he skipped racing.

View attachment 1776308

There were some other races that year for which I have no date: at Kérkyra/Corfu/Korfu the GTAm raced possibly with n. 7, the image description wrote also Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos 1970, but at this time there seem no late GTAm had been built. Further Mavros raced the hillclimb Omalos at Kriti/Crete/Kreta with n. 3. So Mavros and Fotiadis swapped the GTA and the GTAm within the team during 1971 and these races must have been before Mavros was killed. At the 1971 hillclimb Mont Parnassós a GTAm should have been involved in a fatal accident but I have not seen a second GTAm racing or read more about this event.

The 1972 season saw again only one GTAm in Greece, but it had a new livery because of the new Motor Hellas team sponsor Castrol. My first record is the 19720402 Tatoi race with n. 6, Georges Moschous was the new driver. But the car had small rear lights now. 19720829 or 19720903 Moschous raced at Voula with n. 4, and 19730128 again at Tatoi Moschous raced with n. 6. Further races with no date were at Tatoi with n. 3 (big rear lights) and a hillclimb at Athína/Athens/Athen, race number unknown (small rear lights). Since the other livery was not changed over the season it is most likely that the car was involved in a rear accident early that year and the damaged rear was fixed with a new panel of the older version. In both years the car had this “E 43” number plate, which was a kind of a dealer registration.

View attachment 1776309

View attachment 1776310

In one of the following seasons 1973 or 1974 a GTAm with a new livery was raced with n. 5 at Tatoi. It had the same look like in 1971/1972 with a similar roll bar inside and the Alfa Romeo lettering on the windscreen. The registration was “E 101”, which was used for a standard GTV 2000 in the 1973 Rally Akrópolis(?) with n. 39 by Moschous/Zoubroulis, too, so the registration was interchangeable by the owner (there is also another race number n. 23 for Moschous given, the Greeks' memories seem not to be very accurate).

View attachment 1776311

After some years of no records, in 1978(?) the GTAm did a number of races at Tatoi: one of the first races was with n. 3, the windscreen had still the Alfa Romeo lettering and the roll bar is the same. But the grille was from an Alfetta and the car had got a front air dam and a rear spoiler. At least two more races were done there with n. 9 and n. 11, the Alfa Romeo lettering was gone, and the car had a big hoop on the bonnet, they say because of a Alfetta 16v engine fitted.

View attachment 1776312

Also in 1978 at Tatoi there was this wide single head light GTA/GTAJ/GTAm with n. 25 which seems to be the car that was raced in 1979 with n. 90 as a GTA 1300 and in about 1982 with n. 6 at a Rothmans sponsored rallye at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos as pictured in Alleggerita n. 1 by Tony Adriaensens and later photographed by "gtacorsa". In 2004 it was offered by Superstrada and via Mobile.de, “a GTA raced 1965-1971 and 1980-1983” but with hanging pedals and 1750 cc engine.

GTAm #1531231 was owned in the early 2000s near Athína/Athens/Athen but it seems it was bought at the 20011204 Christie's auction at London or a later 20030704 Christie's auction, so it was not one of the cars above.

The car in the films was obviously restored to 1972 livery, it is known since about the early 2000s, too. It has now a stripped interior with a wrong front panel and a wrong roll bar, VIN starts with “153”, the rest I could not read.
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I can only verify that the red Gtam with alfetta engine was the white Castrol car E43 that was later swaped.(Thank God current owner took the car back to it's original Form). Current owner told me that the vin starts with 153 (The rest you know them) and it's the only GTam Ever came to Greece and That's the car i filmed. All the other cars that look like gtams in Greece were swaped / Modified.
*Also tatoi is not at kerkira is in Athens and there was the Castle of King Konstantinos. If you search youtube i think i saw somewhere the Kerkira Race.
 
#486 ·
martinue said:
Greek GTAms:
I was focused on other Alfa Romeos for the last few years, so I may not be up to date with the Greek cars.

The first GTAm that came to Greece had the same livery than the two Belgian Grafo-GTAms for the 1971 Francorchamps 24h with Jean-Claude Franck/Robert Derom and Gérald Simonis/Luc Goris. They were white with golden Kent sponsorship. I can not tell the colour for the Greek car since I collected only b/w photos.

The first documented entry for the Greek GTAm might be the 19710725 race at the Tatoi airfield on Kriti/Crete/Kreta with starting number 6. This is the same weekend than when the 24h of Spa were held, so it cannot be one of the Belgian cars. The next entry for the GTAm that I have recorded was the 19711003 race at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos with n. 6; there the GTAm of Lakis Fotiadis is shown with big rear lights for a late car. This was the race in which Yannis "Mavros" Meimaridis had his fatal accident with the GTA. About a month later there was another race at Tatoi, in which Mavros' team partner Fotiadis did with n. 7 his last race, since he still was not fit to drive after his friend's tragic death he skipped racing.

View attachment 1776308

There were some other races that year for which I have no date: at Kérkyra/Corfu/Korfu the GTAm raced possibly with n. 7, the image description wrote also Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos 1970, but at this time there seem no late GTAm had been built. Further Mavros raced the hillclimb Omalos at Kriti/Crete/Kreta with n. 3. So Mavros and Fotiadis swapped the GTA and the GTAm within the team during 1971 and these races must have been before Mavros was killed. At the 1971 hillclimb Mont Parnassós a GTAm should have been involved in a fatal accident but I have not seen a second GTAm racing or read more about this event.

The 1972 season saw again only one GTAm in Greece, but it had a new livery because of the new Motor Hellas team sponsor Castrol. My first record is the 19720402 Tatoi race with n. 6, Georges Moschous was the new driver. But the car had small rear lights now. 19720829 or 19720903 Moschous raced at Voula with n. 4, and 19730128 again at Tatoi Moschous raced with n. 6. Further races with no date were at Tatoi with n. 3 (big rear lights) and a hillclimb at Athína/Athens/Athen, race number unknown (small rear lights). Since the other livery was not changed over the season it is most likely that the car was involved in a rear accident early that year and the damaged rear was fixed with a new panel of the older version. In both years the car had this “E 43” number plate, which was a kind of a dealer registration.

View attachment 1776309

View attachment 1776310

In one of the following seasons 1973 or 1974 a GTAm with a new livery was raced with n. 5 at Tatoi. It had the same look like in 1971/1972 with a similar roll bar inside and the Alfa Romeo lettering on the windscreen. The registration was “E 101”, which was used for a standard GTV 2000 in the 1973 Rally Akrópolis(?) with n. 39 by Moschous/Zoubroulis, too, so the registration was interchangeable by the owner (there is also another race number n. 23 for Moschous given, the Greeks' memories seem not to be very accurate).

View attachment 1776311

After some years of no records, in 1978(?) the GTAm did a number of races at Tatoi: one of the first races was with n. 3, the windscreen had still the Alfa Romeo lettering and the roll bar is the same. But the grille was from an Alfetta and the car had got a front air dam and a rear spoiler. At least two more races were done there with n. 9 and n. 11, the Alfa Romeo lettering was gone, and the car had a big hoop on the bonnet, they say because of a Alfetta 16v engine fitted.

View attachment 1776312

Also in 1978 at Tatoi there was this wide single head light GTA/GTAJ/GTAm with n. 25 which seems to be the car that was raced in 1979 with n. 90 as a GTA 1300 and in about 1982 with n. 6 at a Rothmans sponsored rallye at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos as pictured in Alleggerita n. 1 by Tony Adriaensens and later photographed by "gtacorsa". In 2004 it was offered by Superstrada and via Mobile.de, “a GTA raced 1965-1971 and 1980-1983” but with hanging pedals and 1750 cc engine.

GTAm #1531231 was owned in the early 2000s near Athína/Athens/Athen but it seems it was bought at the 20011204 Christie's auction at London or a later 20030704 Christie's auction, so it was not one of the cars above.

The car in the films was obviously restored to 1972 livery, it is known since about the early 2000s, too. It has now a stripped interior with a wrong front panel and a wrong roll bar, VIN starts with “153”, the rest I could not read.
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Those rear wheels on the last “goodyear” car looks to be at least 10” or possibly 11x13? Much wider than what gtam initially came with.
 
Discussion starter · #487 · (Edited)
** Edited **
Dear members,

We got a reply concerning the current Greek "Castrol" GTAm, with chassisnumber # 1532099, that is for sale.
This is the first time I have seen chassisnumber # 1532099 mentioned in any book or database on GTAm's or in correspondence with Alfa Romeo or with others. But I can be wrong.
Is there anybody who can shed more light on this chassisnumber? Is this a real car? A timeline, documents and pictures can give us more proof. I don't know at this moment.
Your guess is as good as mine.
I asked the person who replied about documents that could support the claim. But he isn't in a position to give more info.
So let's see what more proof turns up in documents and pictures. It would be great to get in-period info on the chassisnumber on the form of pictures or documents.

We have some sort of timeline:
  • # 1532099 was built on the 14th of January 1971 as a 1750 GTV.
  • Apparently sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas in Greece. As a 1750 GTV or as a 1750 GTAm, converted by Autodelta?
  • First seen on a circuit as a 1750 GTAm on the 25th of July 1971 according to Martinue, but that date/location of the picture with startnumber #6 has yet to be confirmed.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀 See the facebook link:
 
#489 ·
The licence plates, like E43, E 101, E 272, etc...were provided by the Department of Transportation, in that period, to certain dealers or importers (like Motor Hellas), so that the car could be legally transported or driven or even raced.
So in my opinion the licence plates do not certify a car of that period, but they can provide time lines of when the cars were used or raced.
Castrol GTAm AR 1532099, which is for sale, and is located in Greece. I have only seen the car on internet sites or inside greek magazines. A friend who helped with the restoration, informed me that the car comes with all the certifications that the late Lakis Fotiades (owner of Motor Hellas) provided to the current owner. So far I have not been able to come in contact with the owner and further discuss about this piece of Greek racing history.
GTAm AR 1531231, is currently in a private collection here in Greece, I have seen the car first hand, heard it working and lapping a local circuit near Athens, I have exchanged with the owner some words. This particular GTAm is on the front cover and inside pages of the book GTA by Maurizio Tabucchi.The car is kept in his garage.
 
#490 ·
Regarding Castrol GTAm AR 1532099.
A big question mark (since I do not know the chassis number) for me is whether the Castrol GTAm is connected with the GTAm that Motor Hellas brought to Greece and was firstly driven by the owner of Motor Hellas, Lakis Fotiadis.
The following pictures show the car on its first races (pictures that have previously discussed by fellow members).
Corfu circuit, pictures 1 & 2, Rhodes island circuit picture 3 and Tatoi circuit near Athens pictures 4 & 5.
Picture 3 shows damage on the front valance, this was because on free practice, Nico Chiotakis drove the car around the circuit and had an accident.
Picture 4 shows Lakis Fotiadis distorded because of the death of his friend Yannis "Mavros" Meimaridis on the previous race at Rhodes island, the car carries a black stripe on the left front hood, this is prior to the start at Tatoi circuit. My belief is that the colours of the car were white and red, as Martinue mentions like the Belgian Grafo GTAms.
 

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Discussion starter · #491 · (Edited)
A quote by Takis:

"Picture 3 shows damage on the front valance, this was because on free practice, Nico Chiotakis drove the car around the circuit and had an accident." Unquote

Remark: Nico Chiotakis was a Dutch racing driver from Greek origin, who drove 1750 GTAm's in the Dutch National Championship in 1970 and 1971.

Thank you, Takis!
Olaf 👌🍀
 
Discussion starter · #493 · (Edited)
martinue said:
This picture 3 was quite sure taken 19711003 at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos and the driver was Fotiadis, this is the race when Mavros had his fatal accident with the GTA. You see the GTA of Mavros following the damaged GTAm and there are more similar ones on the web.
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Hello Martin

Concerning picture 3. That makes perfect sense, given the fact that the wide body GTA was lapping the circuit at that moment in the race.
So that timeline of the 3rd of November 1971 can be added. And beyond.

So we have some sort of timeline:
  • Apparently a car was sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas in Greece. As a 1750 GTV or as a 1750 GTAm, converted by Autodelta?
  • First seen on a circuit as a 1750 GTAm on the 25th of July 1971 and on the 3rd of November 1971 and beyond up to and including 1982, according to Martinue his data.
Under the assumption that the car sold to Motor Hellas in Greece, and all these 1750 GTAm's in the pictures, are one and the same car, up to the 1982, I would have some questions of which some were answered in the attachment below. ***
There it states that the current "Castrol" car with # 1532099 is a copy?

My questions would be:
  • What was the chassisnumber of the car sold to Hellas Motors in Greece?
  • Is there an invoice or document stating sales and/or shipment of a GTV/GTAm car with a specific chassisnumber, to Motor Hellas in Greece?
Further to that:
  • Do we know, if it was in (disassembled?) 1750 GTV state with parts or in a 1750 GTAm state? In connection to that:
  • What were the import tariffs in Greece on a complete car versus a car (diassembled?) with (Autodelta) parts included? And from another perspective:
  • Is there proof of Autodelta converting the Motor Hellas GTV to 1750 GTAm? If so, when did they start that proces on this specific car sold to Hellas Motors? Before or after the 10th of May 1971? Either:
  • Is there proof of Motor Hellas converting the GTV, sold to and received by them, to a 1750 GTAm with Autodelta (and maybe other tuners') parts in a location in Greece?
So interesting to see if any conflicting proof comes up. Or what errors I made in my assumption and/or questions.

Ciao. Olaf

*** P.S. The text below states that the current "Castrol" car with # 1532099 is a copy?
Part of that text looks very familiar to the one in post # 404. 😉

www.historicautopro.com

1971 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm (S.Rokkos)

The 1750 GTAm (later called 2000 GTAm when the 2000 GTV was introduced) was created in 1969. There are two schools of thought about the "Am" moniker, neither one ever having been officially confirmed by Alfa Romeo: one expands Am to Alleggerita Maggiorata (Italian: lightened enlarged), the other...
www.historicautopro.com www.historicautopro.com
 
#494 · (Edited)
martinue said:
This picture 3 was quite sure taken 19711003 at Ródos/Rhodes/Rhodos and the driver was Fotiadis, this is the race when Mavros had his fatal accident with the GTA. You see the GTA of Mavros following the damaged GTAm and there are more similar ones on the web.
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Dear Martinue,
This is indeed so, I include two pictures showing on the front Lakis Fotiadis and Yiannis "Mavros" Meimaridis, following. These were taken before Yiannis "Mavros" Memimaridis fatal accident. Rhodes island circuit.

As I have written in a previous post, I do not know the chassis number of the GTAm that Lakis Fotiadis was driving, as I do not know the chassis number of the GTA (or GTAm) that Yannis "Mavros" Meimaridis was driving.
So both cars are a question mark for me.
 

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#495 ·
Zagato_Olaf said:
Hello Martin

Concerning picture 3. That makes perfect sense, given the fact that the wide body GTA was lapping the circuit at that moment in the race.
So that timeline of the 3rd of November 1971 can be added. And beyond.

So we have some sort of timeline:
  • Apparently a car was sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas in Greece. As a 1750 GTV or as a 1750 GTAm, converted by Autodelta?
  • First seen on a circuit as a 1750 GTAm on the 25th of July 1971 and on the 3rd of November 1971 and beyond up to and including 1982, according to Martinue his data.
Under the assumption that the car sold to Motor Hellas in Greece, and all these 1750 GTAm's in the pictures, are one and the same car, up to the 1982, I would have some questions of which some were answered in the attachment below. ***
There it states that the current "Castrol" car with # 1532099 is a copy.

My questions would be:
  • What was the chassisnumber of the car sold to Hellas Motors in Greece?
  • Is there an invoice or document stating sales and/or shipment of a GTV/GTAm car with a specific chassisnumber, to Motor Hellas in Greece?
Further to that:
  • Do we know, if it was in (disassembled?) 1750 GTV state with parts or in a 1750 GTAm state? In connection to that:
  • What were the import tariffs in Greece on a complete car versus a car (diassembled?) with (Autodelta) parts included? And from another perspective:
  • Is there proof of Autodelta converting the Motor Hellas GTV to 1750 GTAm? If so, when did they start that proces on this specific car sold to Hellas Motors? Before or after the 10th of May 1971? Either:
  • Is there proof of Motor Hellas converting the GTV, sold to and received by them, to a 1750 GTAm with Autodelta (and maybe other tuners') parts in a location in Greece?
So interesting to see if any conflicting proof comes up. Or what errors I made in my assumption and/or questions.

Ciao. Olaf

*** P.S. The text below states that the current "Castrol" car with # 1532099 is a copy.
Part of that text looks very familiar to the one in post # 404. 😉

www.historicautopro.com

1971 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm (S.Rokkos)

The 1750 GTAm (later called 2000 GTAm when the 2000 GTV was introduced) was created in 1969. There are two schools of thought about the "Am" moniker, neither one ever having been officially confirmed by Alfa Romeo: one expands Am to Alleggerita Maggiorata (Italian: lightened enlarged), the other...
www.historicautopro.com www.historicautopro.com
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Dear Olaf,
I do share the same questions with you.
Please notice that the replica GTAm from the site www.historicautopro.com, has nothing to do with the GTAm AR 1532099, NOT THE SAME CAR.
 
#496 ·
Here is a video from that era, showing AR 1532099?
This video also shows that the GTAm driven by Lakis Fotiadis in Rhodes island was indeed on the same colors as the Belgian Grafo GTAms.
 
#498 ·
Zagato_Olaf said:
Tell us more, Takis!
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Dear Olaf,
The replica GTAm as presented by www.historicautopro.com, is based on GT 1600 Junior chassis 4a serie, with all the right spare parts (engine, drivetrain, suspension etc..as mentioned) in order to be an as close to a GTAm as possible. It has been succesfully raced in circuit an hillclimbs, in Greece.
No resemblance with the Castrol GTAm AR 1532099.
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Discussion starter · #499 · (Edited)
Dear Takis,

Thank you for explaing that. Do you or others know the chassisnumber of the GT 1600 Junior, turned into a GTAm replica/copy?

So we have the present "Castrol" car with #1532099. That chassisnumber has yet to be linked to the Motor Hellas 1971 Lakis Fotiadis GTAm. Because we do not know the chassisnumber of the 1971 Lakis Fotiadis car yet.

Pictures of (the engine bay of) #1532099 pre-restoration can give a clue or even solve the question. Pictures of the engine bay of the Fotiades car, with a chassisnumber, might help too.
And there are spec's, that can be seen under the bonnet, that would identify a GTAm as an Autodelta built car.
Not seeing those would make it a locally built car. By Motor Hellas in Greece in this instance.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

For the readers:
The most up to date list of GTAm chassisnumbers is below in post #500. The thread will continue after post #500.
 
Discussion starter · #500 · (Edited)
** Work in progress **
September 2025

Dear Alfa Romeo (1750 GTAm) Aficionado's, I thought it is time for another update.

This is a long read. I made chapters to cluster specific info about the type 1750 / 2000 GTAm. Chassisnumbers are near the end of this post.
This thread was started in February of 2010. Earlier lists in this thread are now out of date or incomplete compared to this one.
Recent updates in this list were made in:

  • March 2023.
  • October 2023.
  • November 2023.
  • December 2023.
  • March 2024
  • April 2024
  • May 2024
  • June 2024
  • July 2024
  • August 2024
  • September 2024
  • October 2024
  • November 2024
  • December 2024
  • January 2025
  • April 2025
  • May 2025
  • August 2025
  • September 2025
The 14th of September 2025 update has links to documents on the origin of #1532345 and history of #1532346.

Chapters:

1. Definition.
2. Variants
3. Options
4. Development
5. Chassisnumbers
6. Sources

First, an introduction of the 1750 GTAm by FCAHeritage.

www.fcaheritage.com

Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Am

The “enlarged” GTA
www.fcaheritage.com www.fcaheritage.com

This is the most recent chassis number list and explanation, a follow up on post # 404.
There is still more info to be added. That's done while reading back in this thread and checking things.

Please understand that the post contains only part of the known info, there simply isn't enough room to add all data. As this is an ongoing investigation so to say, further information is supplied in the posts beyond this one and in other threads, for example on specific chassis numbers.

Thank you for all the fellow members that contributed to this thread/database! This list wouldn't be possible without your ongoing contributions.

To understand the what and why of the GTAm, read the rest of this post. Have fun.

1. Definition.

As already said the GTAm was a racecar based on an Alfa Romeo 1750 GTV Iniezione (type 105.51) that had Spica fuelinjection. The car was homologated for Gruppo 2, through FIA homologation form No. 1576.
Gruppo 2 meant that at least 1000 production cars would have to be made. Gruppo 2 also meant that the car could deviate a lot more from the car on the street. Think engine, driveline, suspension, brakes, wheels, body, etc.. The homologation was valid from the 1st of October 1969.

Intermezzo;
Some details on brake boosters and pedal arrangement/fire wall.

Because of identification purposes, it is good to know that initially the production 1750 GTV had two brake boosters and standing pedals. Later in the production cycle that changed to a single brake booster, still with standing pedals.
And then it was equipped with the single booster with hanging pedals.
Which meant a different firewall.

The later built GTAm's followed suit.
The change to hanging pedals would have been around chassis number #1532000 according to sources. 1750 GTAm's built before had standing pedals, built after has hanging pedals.
Here is the reference by KenGTA.


And in this list, find the present knowledge on standing/hanging pedals situation per chassis number.


From 1750 GTV Iniezione to 1750 GTAm.

The 1750 GTV's were converted in period (1969 - 1973) by Autodelta and other tuners to GTAm specification. The FIA Homologation Form #1576 specifies, what changes could be made. Autodelta had a complete list of options to convert the car into a GTAm.
That list is specified in chapter 3.

Colours on the Autodelta cars.

A lot of the Autodelta factory cars kept their original colour and were road registered. Under their original 1750 GTV Iniezione chassis number and in the factory colour.
That is why there are Autodelta and other GTAm's in red, white, yellow, silver and many other colours.

Identifying a 1750 GTAm.

Difficulty with the GTAm is, that it never had a unique series of type- and chassisnumber.
This is unlike the type GTA (type 105.32 LHD and 105.34 RHD) and GTA 1300 Junior (type 105.59).

And let me remind you that along with the type 1750 GTV Iniezione (105.51), some European type 1750 GTV's (105.44) have been converted to GTAm. (standing and hanging pedals).

Besides that, we know that one UK privately owned 1750 GTV type 105.45 RHD drive was converted in-period. Probably in early or mid 1972.
More on that car in the chassis number list (Olaf, April 2025).

Then there are people who tell of GT 1300 Junior cars converted to 1750 GTAm. Because they were lighter?
Up to now, these stories have not been substantiated with facts and evidence. Not something to discard without reason and plenty to check and research.

Here is an Alfa Romeo Corse specifications list for the 1750 GTAm:

2. Variants.

There were variants within the 1750 GTAm theme, all of which were within the limits of homologation form #1576:
  • new cars taken straight off the production line and converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta works cars, often in their original factory 1750 GTV colour.
  • new cars taken straight off the production line and converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta customer cars
  • existing cars converted to GTAm spec's by Autodelta SpA as Autodelta customer cars
  • new or existing cars converted to GTAm spec's by others such as importers / tuners / racing teams. With parts from a specific tuner or a combination of Autodelta, Angelini, Balduzzi, Facetti and others. Like the Balduzzi (and Facetti cars, Olaf) that Tony Adriaensens mentions this in his 1st edition "Alleggerita" book.
  • new or existing (replacement) bodyshells with or without a chassisnumber that were equipped with Autodelta, Angelini, Balduzzi and other parts (for example from wrecked cars)
  • other variants on this theme in various stages of tune within the rules and specifications of the homologation of the 1750 GTAm.
Edited: All this "in period" (1969 untill and including 1973).

3. Options.

There is a list of Autodelta factory options for your 1750/2000 GTAm called "GTAm modifications & options". Source of this info is the 1st edition of 'Alleggerita' by Tony Adriaensens.

In the 2nd edition of 'Alleggerita' by Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher, you will find a list and photographs of the parts that are specific to the GTAm (als well as to the Giulia Sprint GTA, GTA-SA and GTA 1300 Junior). This 2nd edition is a must for any GTA, GTA 1300 Junior, GTA-SA and 1750/2000 GTAm fan!

The options can also be found in the "Performance Options Catalog" (nr. IV or Rev 2/77):

  • Aluminium or plastic doors, hood/bonnet and boot/rear deck lid
  • Plastic dashboard
  • Plexiglass door glass descending window or sliding window
  • Lightweight laminated Glaverbel windshield and rear window
  • Rear window also available in Plexiglass
  • Lightweight battery in trunk (Warley)
  • Anatomic racing seat Tipo 33, total weight 3 kg/6.6 lbs
  • Roll over bar / protection cage
  • Leather rimmed racing (steering) wheel
  • FIA/Autodelta oil catch tank (1 litre)
  • Special rear axle locating system with a sliding block (Slittone)
  • Fully modified differential housing including Pivot Pin and reinforcements
  • Steel torque Tee optional Unibal joints
  • Modified arms for rear stabiliser bar
  • Koni 220/85 shock absorbers
  • Modified front suspension
  • 26 mm front stabiliser bar
  • 18 mm rear stabiliser bar
  • Special close ratio gearboxes, on demand a Colotti T 118 gearbox****
  • ZF Autolock differential
  • Lightweight bell housing, gears and gear lever
  • Special lightweight racing or heavy duty rallye assembly clutch
  • Sebring front exhaust pipe
  • 60, 80 and 90 litre fuel tank with racing cab
  • Special Autodelta patented 100 litre safety fuel tank
  • Reinforcements and strap for oversize tank
  • Dual Bendix fuel pumps + Lucas main fuel pump
  • Special plumbing for dual fuel pumps
  • Serck oil cooler
  • Electron alloy deep sump and protection shields
  • Modified oil pumps with, if necessary longer pickups for deep pan bottoms
  • Elaborated crankcase
  • Monosleeves
  • Special racing camshafts
  • Special racing pistons flat
  • Lightweight flywheel
  • Racing crankshafts
  • Special steel racing (connecting) rods; 0,740 kg/ 1.631 lbs
  • Special small cylinderhead valve angle 45 degrees with double ingnition (Testa Stretta)
  • Guillotine throttle assembly for use with Spica or Lucas Mk II
  • Fiberglass or aluminium air box assembly with integral horns & nozzle holders
  • Spica or Lucas (mechanical fuel) injection
  • 10.000 rpm Motorola-Jones rev counter
  • Dinoplex electric ignition (which is a Tipo 33 type, instead of a Magneti Marelli S-132A? Worth checking. Olaf)
  • Ventilated ATE front and rear discs with aluminium calipers
  • 13 inch Campagnolo magnesium wheels (from 7Lx13 to 10Lx13) also 7Lx15 was available
  • Plastic front and rear fender flares to use with 13inch wheels
**** On the Colotti gearbox;

On special demand:
  • 16 valve, single ignition cylinder testa stretta heads approx. 240 hp with 16V exhaust manifold. Not homologated for 1750 GTAm Gruppo 2 but used in for example hillclimb cars.
  • T64 braking torque differential
I doubt whether this list is fully complete.
What about for example:
  • Special Autodelta works engines upgraded to 84.6 x 88.5 giving 1990cc
And what about for example other tuners such as Angelini with it's 2000cc 16 valve cylinderhead with Weber carburettors.

And what about GTAm parts made by other tuners like Facetti, Balduzzi, Conrero and others?
A lot of questions left to be answered.

Further specifications can be found in the homologation papers.

4. Developments.

A lot of GTAm's will have been rebuilt and updated during and after their racing life, engines and gearboxes were swapped, extra weight taken off for example hillclimbing, they have been restored, etc ..... And some of these cars had great palmares while others were less fortunate.

Think of engines bored out by Autodelta from 84,5 x 88,5mm giving 1985cc to 84,6 x 88,5mm giving 1990cc. Think of Autodelta 4V (16 valve) cylinder heads. Chassis, suspension and brakes improvements. Lightening of the body with aluminium and plastic/fibre glass parts.

A seperate thread on Mono Sleeves in the GTAm and other cars, can be found here:

Facetti, Balduzzi, Angelini and others had their own (engine) developments for the 1750 GTAm.

Genuine cars and copies:
Besides that, there are a lot of copies and "tribute" cars with various stages of tune and less or more original GTAm parts. Have a look around on alfabb and you will see a lot of GTV's being changed into GTAm copies. Some of them are very nice and well built.

5. Chassisnumbers.

Here is the list with chassisnumbers and the sources of the information we have collected sofar. This list is an updated and extended version of the earlier lists published in this thread. It considers which chassisnumbers are genuine and which ones are copies or questionmarks.

The chassis number of the car can be found in the engine bay. It sits on the top of the fire wall on the passenger side. It should have a certain fond, spacing and alignment. Amongst other things.
In the forward raingutter of the bagage compartment, near the base of the rear window, the Alfa Romeo type identification was stamped. It should read 105.51 or 105.44 for the exceptions. KenGTA has a seperate thread on that.

Please note! Being considered a genuine 1750 GTAm in this thread doesn't mean, that the car that is carrying that chassisnumber at this moment in time, is the same car.

The same car as in the bodyshell that left the Autodelta factory or the same bodyshell that was built by tuners, importers or private teams.

Several genuine cars have had their bodyshell replaced at some moment in their life because of crashes, extensive rust damage or for other reasons.

Sources of information.

The initial sources for the list of 1750 GTAm's below are these publications:
  • Maurizio Tabucchi (MT) in his book 'Alfa Romeo GTA' from 1994
  • Tony Adriaensens in his 1st edition of the book 'Alleggerita' from 1994
  • Tony Adriaensens, Patrick Dasse & Martin Übelher (A,D&Ü) in their 2nd edition of the book 'Alleggerita' from 2012
  • research by members of this forum
  • my own research.
The lists in these books were compiled and other known 1750 GTAm's were added. The "Alleggerita" 2nd edition from 2012 resulted in adding chassis numbers to the list.
When a car is mentioned in these books, it is listed in the description of that chassis number.
Look for "history mentioned by A,D&U" for cars mentioned in the "Alleggerita" books by Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher.
And look for "(Source: MT)" for cars mentioned in the book "Alfa Romeo GTA" by Maurizio Tabucchi.

The so-called "bad scan".

In some of the descriptions you will see a so called "bad scan" mentioned.
That was a fax/list of chassisnumbers with errors, that circulated and caused misunderstandings concerning the chassisnumbers. These things can happen, especially in the pré internet period.
Don Best and Martinue did research on the chassis number typos and corrected them. Don is mentioned in reference to the "bad scan" to make clear why some chassis numbers are not GTAm's. Leaving these numbers out would create confusion. That's why they are mentioned.

The latest list;

105.44 chassisnumbers from the European 1750 GTV conversion to GTAm:

# 1350034 Copy.
1968 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm for sale at RM Sotheby's London. The car has a RIAR plate with number #244. As far as I could found out, that plate is for the engine only.

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1968 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm | London 2016 | RM Sotheby's

https://www.alfabb.com/threads/gtam-chassisnumbers.162337/page-26?post_id=8811343#post-8811343

# 1351404 Copy.
29-02-1968. Car exists and is for sale in 2023. Located/road registered in Switzerland.

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# 1357840 Copy.
Monzeglio Squadra Corse, round front indicator lights, CT licenseplate, copy of the real car accoording too the sellers of this vehicle.
Car exists 2024. Located in Germany or Italy?
See the 2019 add below by RSHistorics with specific data on the condition and the history of this car. Pictures of and results/entries for this car are available on alfabb and the internet.

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# 1357933 Questionmark.
(source: Martin Übelher)

# 1358476 GTAm.
Autodelta Elaborazione 1968, Autodelta works engine (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, the zebra livery car, licenseplates BL 54224 / TV 191114 / PN 48500 / TV 313588
Car exists 2024. In the US?

# 1363100 GTAm.
1969, history mentioned by A,D&Ü startnumber #75 at Hockenheim on September 12th 1971.

# 1366261 Copy.

# 1378479 GTAm.
Monzeglio Squadra Corse, 1970 (source: MT), Martin Übelher confirms this car as genuine in post #40, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, this car has the square indicator lights in the front instead of the small round indicator lights, licenseplate TO E38632.
Car exists 2024. In Germany?

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# 1382607 GTAm.
Autodelta SpA prepared, 1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Source: Fred della Noce; Fred noted that he used to own a Brasilian ex Jolly Club Hotel GTAm, now owned by Alcidis Diniz in Brasil. I rarely publish owners' names in this thread, in this case I do as the name is public knowledge.
The car exists 2024. The license plates locates it in São Paulo, Brasil.

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1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm for sale at ISSIMI

Scuderia Jolly Gancia Team Car, Winner of 1970 Interlagos 1,000 Miles and 1971 Interlagos 12 hr, Autodelta Built Car With Two Owners, Recent Cosmetic Reconditioning.
www.issimi.com www.issimi.com


105.51 chassisnumbers from the US 1750 GTV conversion to GTAm:

# 1530037 Copy. Red.
This car was said to be prepared at the end of 1973/early 1974, it has/had a Balduzzi camcover, the history is mentioned by A,D&Ü. But in the 2024 sales text, this car is named an "Autodelta" 1750 GTAm.
There is discussion about the status of the copy of the original 1974 Autodelta invoice that is with #1530037.
Martinue states that this invoice belongs to chassis number #2421455. A 2000 GTV Gruppo 2 car.
See that chassis number at the very end of the list.
#1530037 exists 2024 in Germany.


# 1530038 No GTAm.
Source: Don Best. Typo for 1530938 according to Martinues 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan.

# 1530145 No GTAm.
Source: Don Best. Typo for 1532345, according to Martinues 'bad scan'.

# 1530246 No GTAm.
Source: Don Best. Typo for 1532346, according to Martinues 'bad scan'. It turns out that 0246 is a roadgoing 1750 gtv so that definitely confirms that there were typos in the "bad scan" in the chassisnumbers. See post #397 in the link.

# 1530537 Questionmark.
Source: RossoGTVforme, Autodelta prepared (works car?). No date (Sent to US), seen in Monterey. More info?

# 1530671 GTAm, White.
Autodelta SpA, 01-09-1969, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates Prova MI 1370/F-DE 65/MI K97829.
This white/green car was severely damaged in a crash at Brno during the 2nd practice on the 22nd of May 1971.
This license plate MI K97829 was cancelled on the of 28th of June 1971, together with the plate of chassis #1531034.

See post #582 for more. https://www.alfabb.com/threads/gtam-chassisnumbers.162337/page-30#post-8879303

# 1530776 GTAm, Red with white apron.
Autodelta SpA, 29-10-1969, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L18548

# 1530782 GTAm, Red
Jolly Club, 31-12-1969 Takis confirms car now in the Alfa Romeo Museo Storico collection, see post #34, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L12787.

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# 1530787 No GTAm.
Source: Don Best. Typo for 1530782 according to Martinues 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan.

# 1530834 GTAm, Red, white & blue.
Autodelta SpA works car, XX-01-1970, no date (source: Adriaensens) Imported by Alfa Romeo Benelux, history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
The car was stored in Belgium and known to the GTAm community. Colour of the car was Blue (medio) with red stars. Also red at some moment in life. The car has been restored in the US in white, conform Spa 24 hours 1972. Pictures of the car and the chassisnumber before/during/after restoration are known. The car is located in the USA (2024).




# 1530838 GTAm, Red.
Autodelta SpA to Alfa Romeo Vertriebs GmbH Frankfurt am Main, XX-01-1970
Raced by Auto Hähn, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MA GS-555/MA TB-555 amongst others.
The car exists 2024 and is located in the USA / Southern California.

# 1530840 GTAm, Red with white flash.
Raced by Alfa Romeo Benelux/Grafo Racing Team, Jean-Claude Franck.
XX-01-1970, No date (source: Adriaensens), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Present colour of the car is white with dark blue, enginebay is matt black. The car is in unrestored condition and is located in Belgium (2024).
Pictures in the first edition of "Alleggerita" said to be of #1530834 are in fact of #1530840.





# 1530841 GTAm, Red.
Autodelta SpA. XX-01-1970, raced by Auto Hähn, with Harald Ertl as one of the drivers, hence MA HE-555. No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
The present colour of the car is red, the enginebay is matt black. It has a 4V (16V) engine and is unrestored. Car is in the Netherlands (2024).

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# 1530843 GTAm.
XX-01-1970
Chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü

# 1530848 GTAm, Red.
Transavia Livery, Red Radio Veronica livery.
Alfa Romeo, 27-01-1970 previously owned and raced by Toine Hezemans No date (source: Adriaensens), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü,
licenseplates 63-42-MN and 93-42-MN. Present colour of the car is red, the enginebay is matt black. It is unrestored. The car is in the Netherlands (last seen by me in 2003). The car is red with engine out and interior in. Dashboard and tunnel are in place. Confirmation that the car is in the same ownership, during Spettacolo Sportivo in 2024.

# 1530849 GTAm, Beige.
Autodelta SpA, 27-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplates MI K92422 / HGN-19K.
This car exists (2023) with hanging pedals set up. The most plausible reason for that, is that the bodyshell on this car was swapped at some point. Because of damage during racing for example. Or during restoration. That could explain why the car now has hanging pedals. My opinion.




# 1530879 GTAm, Red.
Autodelta SpA, 08-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate
MI K63991

# 1530896 GTAm, Red with white apron.
Autodelta SpA, 28-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü,

# 1530938 GTAm, Ocre.
Autodelta SpA, 26-01-1970, history mentioned by A,D&Ü, could be the ex-Chiapparini and ex-Rosso Bianco collection, it is now in private collection and was for sale as of december 2010, licenseplate MI K91850

# 1530952 GTAm, Ocre.
Autodelta SpA, 26-01-1970 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L27247.
This car with start number #50 had a fatal crash and was severly damaged at the Spa 24 hours in 1973. The driver Larini died in this crash.
There exists (2024) a car with chassis number #1530952.
The claim is that the 1973 wreck was restored to working order.
Given the damage in 1973, a resurrection or reconstruction seems the most plausible scenario. My personal opinion.
More information on this car on page 28 and 29 of this thread. Car is in Italy. Licensplate MI L27247.

# 1530974 GTAm, Blue with yellow fenders.
Alfa Romeo, XX-01-1970, (source: Bjorn Schmidt), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. The car has a fluorescent green valve cover which indicates tuned by Facetti. See post 583 for more: https://www.alfabb.com/threads/gtam-chassisnumbers.162337/page-30#post-8879417

# 1531034 GTAm, Red.
Autodelta SpA 11-02-1970 (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü, licenseplate MI L26447.
This red car was severely damaged during a fatal accident at Hatzenbach on the Nürburgring on the 12th of July 1970. This license plate MI L26447 was cancelled on the of 28th of June 1971, together with #1530671's license
plates.
The claim is that the 1970 wreck was restored to working order.
Given the damage, a resurrection or reconstruction seems the most plausible scenario. My personal opinion.
The GTAm with chassis number #1531034 is located in Italy(?) (2024).
See the info on #1531034 and the Bonhams auction info on condition and history below.


# 1531039 GTAm, Red.
Autodelta SpA 11-02-1970 (source: MT) Ex SOFAR France driven by Chasseuil (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate MI L26448. The car is located in France (2024).

# 1531042 GTAm, Red with green flash.
Autodelta SpA 16-02-1970 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Licenseplate is MI L31853. This chassis is former #1531230. It was restamped by Autodelta. Takis confirms the existence, with US plates. See the post below, and further posts beyond it.

# 1531068 GTAm, Red with Chesterfield livery.
Alfa Romeo 24-02-1970 Car was bought at the end of 1970 and needed a complete rebuild when it arrived in Australia (source: Vince Sharp), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. The car was entered in the Australian competition and had a Tipo 33 V8 for a while.
It has been restored in the 1750 GTAm Chesterfield livery and is still located in Australia (2024).

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# 1531210 GTAm, Red.
XX-05-1970, raced by Alfa Romeo Benelux, No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Given the appearance of the chassis number in the 2025 auction pictures, there is reason to believe that this body was "restamped".
The chassis number looks more like it was engraved instead of stamped. What was the reason for this?
#1531210 is for sale at a RM Sotheby's auction in 2025.


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1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm | Monterey 2025 | RM Sotheby's

1970 Alfa Romeo 1750 GTAm for sale at RM Sotheby's Monterey
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# 1531212 GTAm, Red.
XX-02-1970
Alfa Romeo SpA, history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate
MI L47391

# 1531222 GTAm, Red.
Alfa Romeo SpA, 20-02-1970 (source: MT) see post #192, history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplates
MI L47392/ SI 124926

# 1531230 GTAm.
Autodelta SpA, 30-05-1970 (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate
MI L47393. This chassis is the former #1531042. It was restamped by Autodelta. This license plate was cancelled on the of 7th of December 1973.

# 1531231 GTAm, Red with white waistline.
Luigi Cecchini 26-05-1970 (source: MT), Takis confirms car is now in Greece, see post #35, Autodelta works engine* No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate MI L29550. The car is located in Greece in 2024.


# 1532022 GTAm, White.
Alfa Romeo 01-10-1970, sold 22-02-1971 in Madrid, Spain, body colour is white with black interior, chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate
MI M48973 (?)

# 1532028 GTAm, White.
XX-10-1970
Alfa Romeo Deutschland, history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Hans Hessel drove this car in a complete white livery early on.

# 1532099 GTAm.
Alfa Romeo built 14-01-1971. 1750 GTV 105.51 sold on the 10th of May 1971 to Motor Hellas, Athens, Greece according to the Archivo Storico. Built up locally by Motor Hellas or by Autodelta? Licenseplates used in Greece were E-43/E-101. These were dealer/garage plates. The car is located in Greece (2024).

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# 1532165 No GTAm.
Source: Don Best) Typo for 1532166 according to Martinue's 'bad scan', Don Best confirmed it is a typo because he was working from the 'bad' scan.

# 1532166 GTAm.
Alfa Romeo, XX-01-1971. Destination USA (source: MT) Autodelta prepared for Scuderia Brescia Corse No date (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Licenseplates MI L27427(?) / MI L31853 /
MI M54088 / PR 193113 / MN 192542.

# 1532265 GTAm.
Autodelta SpA 23-01-1971 (source: MT), Escuderia Nacional, history mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate
MI M48973

# 1532307 GTAm.
Autodelta SpA 23-01-1971 (source: MT), history mentioned by A,D&Ü. There are several threads on the restoration and the history of this specific GTAm here on alfabb.
The car exists 2024. Located in the US.




# 1532327 GTAm.
Autodelta SpA 23-01-1971 (source: MT), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü

# 1532345 GTAm.
Alfa Romeo 17-05-1971, (source: MT in post #112: thread concerning 'GTAm prices' mentioning the 'Angola' GTAm's), chassis mentioned by A,D&Ü. Licenseplate AAD-95-18.

Here is the letter of the Documentazione Storico Alfa Romeo stating the 1750 GTAm as a genuine Autodelta built car.



# 1532346 GTAm.
Alfa Romeo 17-05-1971 (source: MT in post #112: thread concerning 'GTAm prices' mentioning the 'Angola' GTAm's), history mentioned by A,D&Ü.
Licenseplates AAV-98-96/ST-76-00.






# 1533142 GTAm, Silver.
Autodelta SpA 28-01-1972 (source: MT) Autodelta works car No date Startnumber #22 at Monza on March 17th 1972 (source: Adriaensens), history mentioned by A,D&Ü

# 1534912 Questionmark.
Source: Ecarrillo. Should this read 1354912 and was it a typo. Why then was chassis 1534912 mentioned in the auction data? What about the RHD?

# 1538476, No GTAm.
This should read as 1358476 (source: Adriaensens)

# Unknown number 1 Questionmark
Source: KenGTA/alfabb
This car is representing the Frank Marino GTAm after the Sanair crash. The car doesn't have a chassis number. According to the story, an unnumbered bodyshell replaced the original GTAm shell after the crash. That sounds possible and plausible.
The car was located at Arnage Classics in France in 2024.




# Unknown number 2 GTAm ****
A 1750 GTV type, 105.45 (RHD). Registration VPK 4G. We know that one privately owned 1750 GTV RHD type 105.45 was converted in the UK. Probably in early 1972.
This car crashed at the end of the 1970's.
See the link for more data on this car by Martinue.

Quote by Adrian Bertorelli;
"Olaf Roeten, no sorry only the UK registration number was VPK4G it originally was a 1750 GTV white with a black wabesco roof
First owner was Alfa GB."

"I was 17 when my mother got this car and I learnt to drive in it
This was the car that made the whole family fall in love with Alfa’s."

And this is the post by Adrian Bertorelli:

**** See the different "variants" identified in chapter 2. That is the reason to qualify the cars.
Some members will have a different opinion on the status of a car. It depends on which of the variants you qualify as a 1750 GTAm. Some only qualify factory built Autodelta 1750 GTAm's, others have a broader definition.

Addition:

Then we have homologation Form 5440 for the 2000 GTV Gruppo 2.
A "hybrid" unficato 2000 GTV bodyshell with a 1750 GTAm 1985cc engine?

See this post for the specs of a 2000 GTV Gruppo 2.

105.21 chassisnumbers from the 2000 GTV conversion to 2000 GTV Gruppo 2:

# 2421455, 2000 GTV Gruppo 2.
An early (1971) 2000 GTV converted by Autodelta in early 1974, accompanied by an invoice which states the above chassis number.
With a 1750 GTAm engine? According to the list of homologated parts; possible.

Quote by Martinue:
"The three race entries of VIN #1530037 in the book "Alleggerita" 2nd edition, belong to #2421455."

Image

Jean Pierre Rochat with #2421455.


Please remember that this list is not complete, where the history of the individual chassis is concerned. There simpy isn't enough room to add all that is known.
Please note that Adriaensens, Dasse & Übelher ("history mentioned by A, D & Ü") have added a lot of history to the individual chassisnumbers in the 2nd edition of "Alleggerita".
More is to come, because A, D & Ü did not add history that could not be verified. For example #1530840 and #1530841 are two of the chassisnumbers with a lot of info to be added.

Furthermore, Tom Tanner made a list of colours belonging to the different chassisnumbers.

Please feel free to comment on and add information to this list.

6. Sources.

The list is originally based on these books & publications:
  • "Alleggerita" 1st edition by Tony Adriaensens
  • "Alfa Romeo GTA" by Maurizio Tabucchi
  • "Alleggerita" 2nd edition by Tony Adriaensens, Patrick Dasse & Martin Übelher
  • "Performance Options Catalog" by Autodelta, nrs I to IV
  • "Competition Reference Manual" by Don Black, revision of edition 2, January 10th 1999
  • Research & information from fellow AlfaBB members and facebook members
  • My own research
Please note that even these well written books can contain mistakes.

Ciao, Olaf 👌🍀

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