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Discussion starter · #363 · (Edited)
Green or Blue Team SRT car.

Veep said:
Nice car! Markus N. build I think. not for this topic as it is about the real deal btw..

The SRT team Elf car in Holland was not verde pino but a totally different color.
(no alfa color).
I do not know if there were any (historicly important) verde pino GTam`s around..
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Hello members,

Here are some pictures of Team SRT GTAm's.
The blue GTAm car is in fact green as seen on the other pictures.
Sources of one of the pictures; www.racehistorie.nl and www.touringcarracing.nl

Ciao, Olaf
 

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#364 · (Edited)
Strak maken en spuiten van een Alfa Romeo Bertone GTAm replica.

My car at the paintshop. painted in what I sourced to most probably be the SRT color Liane Engeman drove. The ""SIR/4711"" cars are a slightly different color.
The blue car probably really is blue, due to color change in main sponsor logo around that time. Have seen one other pic (which I cannot find anymore) in which the GTA of the team was the old green/petrol color, and the GTam allready blue.

https://www.google.nl/search?q=elf+...ESRoKHdAdAb8Q_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=Elf+oil+logo+evolution&*&imgrc=UtqJFLu3HUB8OM:

as far as I know (info not to hand, from earlier research) the base color in the elf logo changed early 70`s allready to a harder blue.

the team 4711 cars are probably more like this, lighter green.https://www.google.nl/search?q=team...m=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ792527rSAhVDlxoKHdMOCL4Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=LHZGT_yCoyo0kM:
 
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Well, some people here on the BB since years think they KNOW everything from history, especially GTA/GtAm. So Walter, don't worry about people who massively used Photoshop some time ago here on the BB to create own history tales.

I grew up watching every morning in the bathroom the bottle of Dad's aftershave - and I would have some doubts that sponsor would really liked to have his sponsored cars in blue colour painted instead of in the products origin green.
That aftershave was so common in Germany in the Seventies like Bud's in the US. Already the name indicates it MUST be green.

But, for all, just watch yourself:

4711 SIR irisch moos - After Shave Lotion - 100 ml (1. Version) | eBay
 
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hunttheshunt said:
Well, some people here on the BB since years think they KNOW everything from history, especially GTA/GtAm. So Walter, don't worry about people who massively used Photoshop some time ago here on the BB to create own history tales.

I grew up watching every morning in the bathroom the bottle of Dad's aftershave - and I would have some doubts that sponsor would really liked to have his sponsored cars in blue colour painted instead of in the products origin green.
That aftershave was so common in Germany in the Seventies like Bud's in the US. Already the name indicates it MUST be green.

But, for all, just watch yourself:

4711 SIR irisch moos - After Shave Lotion - 100 ml (1. Version) | eBay
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To be fair, I know who you are eluding too about Photoshop. However in this instance I think the evidence so far shows that the ELF sponsor period were blue color & the SIR Irish Moss sponsor saw a change to the more green. So the ELF SRT car on the trailer would be correct shown as blue, as stated by the poster. Agree?
We need to ensure we present as true & accurate information as possible for everybody.
Regards,
Vince.
 
#372 ·
The ELF Tyrell F1 car was a similar blue to that posted by ARGTAReg
 
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vintage prep said:
The ELF Tyrell F1 car was a similar blue to that posted by ARGTAReg
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Yes blue indeed as the Elf Matras of 60's/70's as well.
While I think the Elf GTAm should indeed be blue, I also suspect that the intensity of the blue has been increased for sake of argument in this thread........if you save both photos of car on trailer and compare side by side.....only the blue of the car is more intense: the trailer and background remain the same.
 
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See the different pics of the Boshuis GTA in 1972:Pictures - 1972 Zandvoort Trophy Car seems to have the harder blue Elf logo. where the Engeman car on trailer has some color on the car as in logo.
Too bad Liane Engeman did not have any pics herself of that period (I did contact here for that). I did my research (thorough) and for me thats it. Besides that: as it is now my car will not be build complete as replica of the Engeman car, its in a nice color as it is.
 
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ELF GT Am

It is not my intention to suspect the Aftershave memories, nor to spoil enjoying in that fine observation. However, the starting lesson in elementary knowledge about auto-sport recited: The early history of car racing established national colors in car competitions, and Italian cars were red, German white, English green, French blue and so on. That tradition remained, and that is why any racing car fully sponsored by any French official structure is in French Blue. ELF sponsored cars were not exception and GT Am in the photo was colored in French Blue too (like Bugatti, Talbot, Alpine, Matra, Gordini and many others). Different tonalities of the French Blue was used, but the color was always French Blue (see attachment, color palette). Photos from Kodachrome slides when printed showed tendency to change blue range and that is why corrective filter (usually 81 series) were applied to obtain the balanced color. Stating that my intention was to declare the photo that I have posted as a “good one”, is next to acclaimed idiocy. I have simply picked up present photo in the tread and added corrective filter on it. That is why only the car area is affected.
P.S. To limit the obvious misinterpretation that some pranksters continuously present to my comments, I have to say that I am not hiding and that I can post my own image without problems. This are recent ones and I would appreciate the same from those severe critics of my opinions. Otherwise, private observations should be omitted from the forum treads.
 

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#377 · (Edited)
cars of SRT Holland with the Elf sponsering were both defintitely not french bleu.(see pics of the Boshuis GTA, next to the capri were the sides are blue, so no discolorisation there in the picture... It was a dutch racing team.. So it was and is more logical the color in the Elf logo is the base color, as can be seen in the picture of the car on the trailer. (the one that was not photoshopped...)
In your first and last picture you can clearly see the color in the Elf logo, which is way of the color on the car. On the Engeman GTAM the body color and the logo color are the same. You ignore my posting on research on the base color of the Elf logo which changed . Really too bad I cannot find the picture anymore with both cars from SRT on it.
but never mind, you are going a long way to have it your way, you can have it ..no use this kind of discussion, mainly not in historical perspective..

see page 5 of this topic, post #62 , Hezemans car, SRT, Elf sponsoring. Far from french blue. Logical because dutch team, not french, and in this period the classic color schemes were allready left...
 
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P.S. To limit the obvious misinterpretation that some pranksters continuously present to my comments, I have to say that I am not hiding and that I can post my own image without problems. This are recent ones and I would appreciate the same from those severe critics of my opinions. Otherwise, private observations should be omitted from the forum treads.
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???? Your opinion is your opinion, in fact they are more private observations, in my opinion based on wrong info, and not being open to some clear info presented. That does mean your personal opinions are no facts. Maybe for you they are, for me (and maybe others ) not. No reason to either since there is sufficient proof to question your opinion(s) , on this topic it is..

I am not hiding too, in fact, a picture says nothing without a name. refering to critics as pranksters is no decent way to discuss imho.
I am not impressed by the quoted statements, it only is noise detracting from the issue, again imho..
But since you seem to like noise, if it helps you: you can google me on walter van vollenhoven Alfa Romeo (that added gets the most valid hits..) or look at my FB. Sorry most pictures are in car, and with helmet on. You can find some without though.
 
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Veep said:
???? Your opinion is your opinion, in fact they are more private observations, in my opinion based on wrong info, and not being open to some clear info presented. That does mean your personal opinions are no facts. Maybe for you they are, for me (and maybe others ) not. No reason to either since there is sufficient proof to question your opinion(s) , on this topic it is..

I am not hiding too, in fact, a picture says nothing without a name. refering to critics as pranksters is no decent way to discuss imho.
I am not impressed by the quoted statements, it only is noise detracting from the issue, again imho..
But since you seem to like noise, if it helps you: you can google me on walter van vollenhoven Alfa Romeo (that added gets the most valid hits..) or look at my FB. Sorry most pictures are in car, and with helmet on. You can find some without though.
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You are right. I have not considered your inquire and that is obviously my fault. I am sure that nobody has examined better the car’s history than you as owner. My intention was to underline the fact that French sponsored cars were French Blue as color. As you pointed that your car was Netherlands racing team provenience, it is possible that ELF was not exclusive sponsor. In that case, the color of the car could be different. I found GTA J in Zandvoort 1972 race that is green as the car posted by Olaf…So that green could be also some kind of Netherland’s traditional color. Sorry for misguide.
P.S. The hiding party was not adressed to you in no way. You are clearly out of that story
 

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