[2000 touring sp]

anyone has suggestions to the first 2 pictures the SZ #20 and the SVZ #212. I think that both are Ada Pace

 

[martinue]

some clarifications:

Post #1008
photo = 19621014 Schorndorfer Bergrennen (D), n. 210 #04069 Herbert Wrobel (D)

Post #1009
codriver of Ada Pace at the 1958 Rallye del Sestrière was Piera Chiesa Bertoletti
Seven weeks after the accident at the 12h di Monza Ada Pace drove her SZ #00009 in the 2h di Monza, so the car could not have been destroyed completely
photo n. 20 = 19600904 Coppa Inter-Europa, Monza (I)
photo n. 212 = most likely 19590809 Trapani-Monte Erice (I)

Post #1020
Gorza drove #04069, Schild drove #02488

 

[2000 touring sp]

Hello to you all.
First of all, a humble excuse for a fake memory and typing errors.
Fact:
Jean Pierre Schild raced chassis 02488 with Swiss registration GE 18393 ( GE= Geneva) . The read SVZ with an injury . Has a Swiss registration from Geneva GE 14547. Witch is the new registration. After it was sold to Ernest Arbalétrier.
Egidio Gorza raced a SVZ during Intereuropa at Monza in 1957 withan SVZ with #55 . That car had a painted stripe on the hood.

Thank you, Martin, what should we do without you.
Intereuropa 04.09.1960 ( I am sorry) did Ada Pace race a Sprint Speciale. On She did race the Sprint Speciale on other occasion 1960. But it is difficult to find any information, on these activities in the Sprint Speciale. I have always been of the opinion, That the Sprint Speciale come into activities, because of her accident with the SVZ during the Intereuropa 13.09.1959. As she was waiting for the SZ. But she received the SZ 28.06.1960. So why she used the Sprint Speciale , 2 month after she had received the SZ. I am unable to answer. But there is pictures from 1960 Intereuropa in SS.
Data is from John De Boer’s Ada Pace list
#20 SZ: I am convinced that the #20 SZ is chassis 00009, must be at Monza and the driver is Ada Pace. But I have been unable to find any documentation.
Thank you for the infos #212 19590809 Trapani-Monte Erice. She raced both the SVZ and the OSCA at that occasion. I have a picture where she is on the Podia to receive her Price.

 

[martinue]

19600904 at Monza, Ada Pace competed with the SZ as period magazines showed in photographs – her gas pedal failed, but she still managed to finish second in class. And pictures show her driving the SZ in some of the next events.

After her accident in the 19590913 Coppa Inter-Europa at Monza with SVZ #01849, she drove SVZ #04458 in the 19590920 Pontedecimo-Giovi and was third in class behind "Kim", who won the 1959 Italian Campionato di Velocità and the Trofeo della Montagna that year in class. Pace was second in the first and third in the latter championship, but she won the Campionato Femminile for GT cars that year. The hillclimb of Pontedecimo-Giovi was important for her since it counted for all three championships, so she lent another SVZ, but since she finished behind "Kim", she could not catch him.

A lone entry with a Giulietta TI in the 1959 Tour de Corse is my only record of her driving an Alfa Romeo Giulietta until she received her SZ in mid 1960.

I did not have seen entries nor photographs of her in a Giulietta SS.

 

[2000 touring sp]

take a look at this

 

[2000 touring sp]

and this
Year: 1960

Date​	Race	No.​	Car	Drivers	Entrant	Result​
28.2.1960​	GP Cuba	27​	Osca MT4	Ada Pace		15th​
8.5.1960​	Targa Florio	74​	Osca S1100	Pace / Castellina	Nineteen Racing Club	11th​
4.9.1960​	Coppa Inter-Europa	20​	Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Speciale	Ada Pace	Racing Club 19	12th​
16.10.1960​	Coppa d'Oro di Modena [S1.15]		Osca S1100	Ada Pace		1st​

 

[2000 touring sp]

John de Boer
R.C.19 #20 AR Sprint Speciale 1300 Coppa Inter-Europa 4.9.60 (2nd/ GT 1300), gpv & new record

 

[martinue]

An entry list does not mean much …

 

[2000 touring sp]

picture

 

[martinue]

This is Sigala with n. 27. "Bilbao" with n. 21, in the entry list with a Giulietta SS, raced a SZ, too.

 

[2000 touring sp]

Sorry Martin, i am convinced it is Ada Pace with #20.
Shortly before Tim blow life into this tread, and I took a copy of de Boer list. I came by a picture of a SS, it had #27. And the text informed it was Ada Pace in Intereuropa 1960.
At that time, I was at the same opinion as you. I didn’t take a copy, as I judged it was misinformation.
Since I have changed my opinion.
Have a good day.
I am going traveling on Wednesday morning the 8 , and will be away the next month, without a PZ

 

[2000 touring sp]

Hello to you all.
I was surfing to find further information on the Intereuropa at Monza 1960, wasn’t successful.
But stumbled over a start list Pontedecimo- Giovi 17 September 1961. I think the start list for 1300 ccm is interesting.
I am not the one to blame others for typing errors.
But a class with only SVZ models must be rear.
Aal the best
Bjarke

 

[2000 touring sp]

Here is another start list fra Intereurope 1960 PDF. Witch states that “Bibau” did not start. Probably he didn’t qualyfires.
Some infos from 28.06 1959 GT GP Monza. Where Ada Pace participate in a Sprint Speciale #34

28.06 1959 GT GP Monza

Non championship race

(Race Results)​

Pos.​	No.​	Drivers	Car	Entrant	Laps​	Time​	Distance​	Km/h​	Reason	Pos.​	Gr.
1st​	5​	Alfonso Thiele	Ferrari 250 GT		52​	1:53:56.200​	299.000 kms​	157.455​		1st​	GT+2.6
2nd​	38​	Carlo Mario Abate	Ferrari 250 GT	Scuderia Serenissima	52​	1:54:04.200​				2nd​	GT+2.6
3rd​	24​	Willy Mairesse	Ferrari 250 GT	Ecurie Francorchamps	52​	1:54:50.600​				3rd​	GT+2.6
4th​	45​	Pierre Noblet	Ferrari 250 GT		51​	1:53:57.100​				4th​	GT+2.6
5th​	50​	Wolfgang Seidel	Ferrari 250 GT	Wolfgang Seidel	51​	1:54:34.700​				5th​	GT+2.6
6th​	10​	B. Cotton	Ferrari 250 GT		51​	1:54:36.400​				6th​	GT+2.6
7th​	33​	Fritz D'Orey	Ferrari 250 GT	Fritz D' Orey	51​	1:54:43.700​				7th​	GT+2.6
8th​	14​	Salvatore La Pira	Ferrari 250 GT		51​	1:54:47.300​				8th​	GT+2.6
9th​	6​	Luigi Taramazzo	Ferrari 250 GT		51​	1:54:50.300​				9th​	GT+2.6
10th​	9​	Jean-Pierre Schild	Ferrari 250 GT		51​	1:54:57.100​				10th​	GT+2.6
11th​	27​	Lucien Bianchi	Ferrari 250 GT	Ecurie Francorchamps	51​	1:55:37.400​			Accident	11th​	GT+2.6
12th​	39​	Nando Pagliarini	Ferrari 250 GT		50​	1:54:21.600​				12th​	GT+2.6
13th​	51​	Huschke von Hanstein	Porsche 356 Carrera		49​	1:55:00.600​				1st​	GT2.6
14th​	34​	Ada Pace	Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Speciale		49​	1:55:39.900​				2nd​	GT2.6
15th​	4​	Giancarlo Sala	Fiat 8V Zagato		49​	1:55:53.100​				3rd​	GT2.6
16th​	3​	Elio Zagato	Fiat 8V Zagato		48​	1:54:16.400​				4th​	GT2.6
17th​	37​	Augusto Ciccolini	Fiat 8V		48​	1:55:49.200​				5th​	GT2.6
18th​	31​	Heinz Schiller	Porsche 356 Carrera		48​	1:55:59.300​

Further infos
GT GP Monza 1959 - Photo Gallery - Racing Sports Cars

34​		Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Speciale - Alfa Romeo L4 2v DOHC 1290 cc N/A	GT2.6​
	-
Front-engined
Driven by: Ada Pace (I)	Result: 14th (3 laps behind the winner) Grid:
Sponsors: unknown	Colours: unknown
Tyres: unknown

 

[Sergio105]

Found by chance... It seemed nice to post it.
The pirates of the track!

 

[6alfas]

One of the 4458's is for sale again/still: Log into Facebook

 

[zagato62]

SZ at Sebring 1973

Sebring 1973

I was looking for a Spider Veloce that might have raced in 1963 and stumbled upon this image at www.iedei.blog.com

I know this is an old thread-I’ve been absent from Alfabb for about 15 years. Car #59 above is SZT #191 at Sebring 1963 (not 1973).

It also raced as #63 in 1962 and finished 1st in class, raced by Art Swanson and Ross Durant.

I owned the car in the 80’s and 90’s and restored it to its 1962 Sebring livery and original grey color. Here it is at Sebring 1962 and after the restoration circa 1993.

 

[Sergio105]

Very nice item!

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[Sergio105]

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[Somer]

Mecum has 4458 coming up at Monterey. 1957 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Veloce Zagato at Monterey 2023 as F119 - Mecum Auctions

 

[tubut]

FWIW and for posterity, here are the pictures from the eBay auctions in post #1,037 and #1,038: