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Scans of Fusi's Production Numbers (from "Tutte le Vetture dal 1910")

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Please find attached an excerpt of Fusi's book "Tutte le Vetture dal 1910" (All cars from 1910) regarding production numbers.

Note: Fusi's book seems to have a number of errors. A better way to find out about your car is to contact the Alfa Romeo Historical Archive, as described here.
 

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Next batch...
 

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Third (and last) batch...
 

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Farace said:
I guess so. My car is 105.62.1486197, and that's not even a possibility according to Fusi. His list has my model ending at 1484042!
This is a good example of one of the many mysteries of published Alfa records (and possibly the limitations of Fusi's record keeping).

While your car does not appear in Fusi, D'Amico & Tabucchi list it as being a 1750 Spider Veloce iniezione America built in 1971.

Their chassis number ranges are as follows for the 105.62 cars:

1968: 1480001 - 1480216
1969: 1480217 - 1481372
1970: 1481373 - 1482220, and 1485001 - 1485702
1971: 1485703 - 1486880 (chassis 1486654 - 1486660, 1486665, 1486666, 1486791, 1486802 - 1486820, 1486823 - 1486832, 1486852, 1486863 - 1486872 fitted with 2000 engine).
 
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gtv2000 said:
Well, if your point is to make note that there can be errors in Fusi, you're of course right. If with that you intend to play down his work, I have two observations: [snip]
I had no intention of playing down his work. In fact, I'm grateful the book exists. However, I do have a problem with the job the editors did: lousy proof-reading. There are so many errors in the production numbers that I see as being a result of transcription errors and typos, that they could (and should) have been weeded out by the time the 3rd Edition appeared.

With respect to completeness, I have no problesm accepting the fact that it only shows information that was available at the time and cannot contain information that was discovered later. This is the main reason why I suggested taking the information with a grain of salt and contacting the historical archive for the latest (and best) information about a specific car or model.

I heard about d'Amico & Tabucchi's book that there is/was a 3rd tome with corrections. However, I never saw it and therefore do not know if that information is correct. The new and revised edition is curently scheduled for publication in 2007, see here.
 
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If I come across has being thick, please do not judge me too fast !

We have a Kam Tail Spider 1971.

Our vin number is 1486553 and engine number 6553.

However that make my car a 105.62, which I think is a Boat tail cars.

Do I have a rare car ??
I don't know about the numbers (if you don't get a satisfactory answer here, you may want to post your question in the Spider 1966 and up forum) but to me, a Kamm tail is a Kamm tail and therefore not rare.
 
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Where can I obtain a copy of Fussi on CD??

Regards
Jim
I don't think the book is legally available on CD or DVD.

About 4-5 years ago, there was a guy in the Netherlands who sold on eBay DVDs with a scanned copy of the book and copies of pirated CarDisk CDs. Both seemed to be blatant violation of copyright laws. I haven't seen these DVDs being offered in a long time, so I assume he was shut down.
 
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Morning.
I have a `1966` Giulia GT with VIN number which is AK753418. It is a Right hand Drive. How do I confirm the year model? I cannot find this number in the Fusi Production number.
I think the chassis number of your car probably starts with "AR" and not "AK" as you stated -- but the thickness of paint can lead to distortions in perception.

A quick glimpse at Fusi's list doesn't seem to list number you provided. I suggest you do two things:
1. Double-check the chassis number. If, necessary, use a wire wheel to remove any paint that may obscure details -- such as the "AK" vs. "AR" issue.
2. Send an e-mail to CentroDocumentazione@AlfaRomeo.com asking about information about your chassis number. Although their response will include some legal language that will say it's not an authoritative answer, it's the best official unofficial answer you can get about your car.

Good luck,
 
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Hello Maldi,

The graphs are in the Fusi book 'Alfa Romeo Tutte le vetture dal 1910'. Maybe somebody made scans of them?

Ciao, Olaf
The graphs in Fusi's book are grouped by model type, not cumulative as in the Saab graph (see example of Giulia graph below, which are the largest production volume). The production numbers listed above contain the same information in numeric form. In my opinion, a break-down by model results in too many graphs to post here.
 

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So are there any data for post-1972 cars in Tabucchi's book? What is the engine no that goes with AR 2201461 chassis ('73 1.6 Junior)?
Yes, the 1st edition of D'Amico & Tabucchi goes to 1996, and the 2nd edition goes to 2007. However, their information is based on the Alfa Romeo archive, while Fusi's information also included personal notes about engine number ranges. All that D'Amico & Tabucchi say about 105.03 cars for 1973 is that the chassis numberts range from 2198851 to 2202250 and that the engines should be tipo 00536.
 
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It's always interesting to hear what information the archive has and is willing to supply you with.
 
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Rules from the higher-ups forbid Marco from releasing engine numbers except under very specific circumstances.
FWIW, the records I've seen myself (for a very specific type of car) did not have any information about engine numbers in them. During my visit at the archive, I got a clear sense that Alfa must have purged some records over time -- especially production records that were only for managerial use and/or internal communications or notes and annotations that not necessarily fell under accounting rules and regulations and/or laws for information retention for tax audits and legal liability.

It appears Alfa kept only a bare minimum of records on hand. for reference. However, I was told that there is also a room full of presumably mostly technical documentation that has never been cataloged. This became apparent when I asked Marco about a specific engineering drawing of an engine (of which I had seen a copy somebody had obtained from Alfa Romeo in the 1960s), and Marco told me that he does not know of any such drawing, but maybe it is in the room with uncataloged documents.

The big risk with the uncataloged documentation is that Alfa Romeo management may at some point in time decide to get rid of it, or some souvenir hunters or thiefs may extract some historically significant pieces, at which point history is lost because the documentation is not recorded and therefore does not exist officially.

One way or the other, I believe we have to thank Fusi that the Centro Documentazione even exists in its current form. I had the impression that Marco is fighting hard to keep serving Alfisti well even with the constraints management is putting on him that seem to make providing such services increasingly difficult.
 
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hi all,

I found engine AR01560 or AR01580

6 or 8 is bad readable

does someone know from what car this is ?

rgds Franco
Franco, I think it's worth asking the Centro Documentazione about this engine and see if they can shed some light on its specs and use.