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Hope there is something of interest and helpful in this maintenance sticky of mine

Testing a 164 engine: Test ran my 164L engine today

Link to 164 cardisc manuals: http://www.berlinasportivo.com/Techn.../page0002.html

164 production figures: Alfa 164 production numbers and chassis numbers

Here is another source for info on the 164 http://www.digest.net/alfa/FAQ/164/

Roadtrip's revised 164 buying guide pdf: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...uide-ver-2.pdf

Group 01-Engine-12v Cam Timing My new rule Jan 22 2014 - http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...ml#post5123801

01-Engine-Timing Belt Age Checking new Timing Belt age info 24V timing belt Flennor vs Gates

Cam timing pdf template. Print it off on 8 1/2 x14 paper at 100% scale setting. This is Rick's Template he posted for us to use.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...cam-timing.pdf

Checking cam timing on 12v V6 engine in car: Checking Alfa 164 12v V6 engine cam timing


Guide to 164 Timing Belt Tensioners

My new Alfa Romeo Tech Data Numbering System Alfa 164 - Alfisto Steve's Maintenance Tips

1991-93 164 Motronic test procedures: 91-93 Diagnostic Procedure

Alfa V6 engine bearings info: What did you do Alfa related today?

01-Engine-0332 New info on timing belts: Alfa 164 - Alfisto Steve's Maintenance Tips

0010 How to identify 164 engines: Alfa 164 - Alfisto Steve's Maintenance Tips

Testing 91-93 for no start condition after verifying cam timing: Hawaii 164 Service?

04-164-12v Fuel, Air Supply Diagnosis of Idle faults on a 164 Thanks to Roadtrip for writing this up.

Diagnosis of Idle Faults in the 164

Alfa 164 frame chart PDF added to bottom of this post.

Testing and rebuilding 164 steering rack: Testing and rebuilding a 164 steering rack at home

1991-1995 Alfa 164 and Spider parts catalogs: Alfa 164 and Spider parts catalogs.

Crossing part numbers to manufacturer's numbers Car Part QUINTON HAZELL QTA258H Vibration Damper, v-ribbed belt

New Cooling Fan testing paper: Simplified Troubleshooting of the Alfa Romeo 164 Cooling Fan System

Mostly 12v V6 cam timing and mechanical tensioner info, etc....
Also added in link to trick to install top starter bolt.
Also adding some 24v info.
Added door handle repair thread

Another source for an164 tech answers is:
Alfa Romeo 164

164 digest tech notes Index: notes0

Example seat heater notes: Alfa 164 Notes

Alfa 164 buying guide Alfa 164 Buying guide

John's very good buyers guide: My Take on Buying a 164S

Thought maybe these links to some stuff I have posted would be helpful for setting and inspecting mechanical tensioner, info on changing timing belt, cam oil seals, timing template and part list to do belts and water belt, too:

NEW photos of OLD Nero's engine timing belt set up: Setting up Alfa 164 engine cam timing belt and tensioner

01-164-12v-370-100a-hardware-mounting-mechanical-tensioner 01-164-12v-370-100A Hardware for mounting Mechanical Tensioner

Inspecting for Broken Spring on Alfa 12v Mechanical Tensioner Inspecting 12v mechanical tensioner spring

Types of timing belt tensioners: Timing belt tensioner

Safety Note When Installing Tensioner On 12v Alfa V6 Safety Note When Installing Tensioner On 12v Alfa V6

My timing is off more info on setting mechanical tensioner I hope

timing mark(s) confusion Thermal clutch spring device in mechanical tensioner

Alfa 164 12v Cam Timing Alfa 164 12v Cam Timing

Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info

Cam timing pdf template. Print it off on 8 1/2 x14 paper at 100% scale setting. This is Rick's Template he posted for us to use.

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/atta...cam-timing.pdf 12v cam timing template

Changing Alfa 164 12v V6 Timing Belt and Water Pump Changing Alfa 164 12v V6 Timing Belt and Water Pump

Changing Quik Silver's 12v heads, etc.... Changing Quik Silver's 12v heads, etc....

AR164-01 Replacing Heads on 12v V6 AR164-01 Replacing Heads on 12v V6

Changing 164 Cam Pulley oil rings/oil seals Changing 164 Cam Pulley o-rings/oil seals

More info on cam hub puller design: Spitfire's Taking Belt 101 Today-Intro to Belts

Paul's secret trick for installing front crank seal: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...eal-trick.html

My starter bolt install trick on 164 My starter bolt install trick on 164

Alfa V6 12v engines valve clearance info .0088 to .0098" (.225 to .250mm) for all 12v Alfa V6 engines.

Added info: intakes: .0187 to .0197" (.475 to .500mm).
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Alfa Romeo Valve Shim Conversion Chart MM To Inch Alfa Romeo Valve Shim Conversion Chart MM To Inch

Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info Timing belt and serpentine belt tensioner bearing info

164 Cooling Fan Circuit Testing 164 Cooling Fan Circuit Testing 101

Alfa 164 12v V6 spark plug wiring order Alfa 164 12v V6 spark plug wiring order

Alfa 164 Automatic Transmission Repair 16-01 AR164 Alfa 164 Automatic Transmission Repair 16-01

Changing 164 master cylinder/bleeding brakes Changing 164 master cylinder/bleeding brakes

Alfa 164 12v USA model Fuel Pump/Steel Gas Tank 12v USA steel gas tank

USA 164 12v steel fuel tank internal plumbing 12v USA steel tank internal plumbing

Alfa 164 5-speed transmission front input bearing info alfa-164-5-speed-transmission-front-input-bearing-info

Adding a Manual cooling fan switch - easier way. adding-manual-cooling-fan-switch-easier-way

Rosso Rescue Project Steering Rack Update rosso-rescue-project-steering-rack-update

Replacing Accumulator A spring in 164 A/T replacing-accumulator-spring-164 A/T

164 Power Steering hose info 164-power-steering-hose-info

Rained today so "field stripped" 164 engine rained-today-so-field-stripped-164-engine

164 12v Engine Rebuild Process/Progress 164-12v-engine-rebuild-process-progress

Old Nero's Engine may run again old-neros-engine-may-run-again

Bearing gap Engine bearing clearance info

Alfa 164 Motronic Self-Diagnosis 91-93 Motronic ECU Code Test

Alfa 164 Motronic M1.7 Self-Diagnosis 94-95 Motronic ECU code Test

Alfa 164 A/C Heater Blower Motor info Alfa 164 A/C Heater Blower Motor info

Steering rack: Steering rack exploded view 1991-1995/52556-steering-rack-exploded-view

Oil Pressure Gauge Sender and Oil Light Sender Thread Info oil-pressure-gauge-sender-oil-light-sender-thread

Troubleshooting 164 Cooling Fan System Part 1 troubleshooting-164-cooling-fan-system-part-1


LS DIY Timing Belt Replacement 24v
info diy-timing-belt-replacement

New info 24v valve and valve guide info: Valve guides for 24V

24V Timing Belt Questions setting up 24v cams, etc.

info on 24v timing dies: 24v cam timing dies

Driver's side front inner door handle inop inner door handle repair

thermostat question thermostat and water pump info

Identifying L/R 164 Front Strut Spring Perches FRONT STRUT SPRING PERCH/RETAINER ID INFO

Should I sell my Black 164S for Real Money?
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File Type: pdf AlfaV6_12v_camtiming.pdf (21.6 KB, 343 views)
File Type: pdf cam alignment_timing2-Layout3.pdf (21.6 KB, 303 views)

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Added my starter bolt install trick link to thread

See this on how I do it: My starter bolt install trick on 164

Richard2's trick worth adding to this post: 164S Clutch Replacement Prep-work

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Your tips are always greatly appreciated Steve, you have kept many a 164 alive and happy!

Again the proud owner of the White Dragon and a 2010 Jetta TDI
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Added some more links to some more of my maintenance tips today to first post.

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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Place marker for work in progress procedure on oil fed tensioner set up:

New Verde Owner - TB problems already - HELP!

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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any tips to replace brake rotors from 1991L .i never done it before..
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any tips to replace brake rotors from 1991L .i never done it before..
Haven't written on up yet.

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Paul's front crank seal install trick

Paul's front crank seal install trick: http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...eal-trick.html

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Some great reading with links to steering rack info

This thread and some links contained within it should be helpful when working on steering rack issues:

more steering rack mounting bushing issues

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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Inner door handle repair tips

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

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24v engine special tools for cam timing

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Engine NO START Troubleshooting Tips

Troubleshooting tips: ROUGH DRAFT
1991-93 12v V6
Check engine services fuse in main fuse box.
Check fuel pressure with fuel injection pressure gauge (rent free from Autozone).
Be sure "red stripe" ECU relay with diode plugged into correct relay holder with RED wires near coil.
Fuel pump relay is one next to it plugged into holder with pink and pink-white wires.
You can test fuel pump by pulling fuel pump relay and test for power with key on at socket 30. Now jumper socket 30 pink wire to socket 87a pink-white wire and turn key on pump should run.

Check distributor cap and rotor
Check spark with spark tester and or inductive or direct hook up timing light (tester and timing light will flash if spark going through sparkplug wire.

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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Craig's testing of 5-pin 164 AFM

91-93 AFM testing pinouts

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Steve thanks for all your valueable advice. I also thank you for your reply to my post on the 164 that I have been trying to help my friend with. We are trying to find a wiring diagram for the motronic system. The car cranks over very well but the voltage drops to 10v . No pulse to coil . Pick up signal tested from one end to the other. well Im tired now and I have to repair my car so I can travel this week. pls help thanks Mike
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Info on 164 engine ECU part numbers

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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