[Mark Cox]

Ex Banham Motor Museum T33 Stradale

Does anyone know the chassis number of the Ex Banham Motor Museum Alfa Romeo T33 Stradale, I saw the car in the Museum in 1978, sadly the museum closed in 1982 and all the exhibits sold off at auction by the owner Lord Cranworth. Also does anyone know who owns the car now?

 

[ARGTAReg]

75033.113 renumbered in 75033.133 (superstition reasons) ex Lord Cranworth collection (until 1982) now in Fratelli Auriana Racing collection, brought back to factory values and color. Here is the photo still with silenced exhaust system and bumpers for road going.

 

[Mark Cox]

75033.113 renumbered in 75033.133 (superstition reasons) ex Lord Cranworth collection (until 1982) now in Fratelli Auriana Racing collection, brought back to factory values and color. Here is the photo still with silenced exhaust system and bumpers for road going.

Many thanks for this, anyother pics if available would bee very much appreciated

 

[ARGTAReg]

Here are some pics (3) when the car was still in Lord Cranworth's collection. After 1982 it passed to Lawrence Auriana racing team and was occasionally used in historic events (Torrey Pines Hill Climb with Joe Colasacco at the wheel). It is fully restored to factory specs, and recently used for show events. Other photos shows it in actual state.

 

[ARGTAReg]

recent photos

 

[2000 touring sp]

The last picture is AR tipo 33 Spradale 750 33 104.
But if you look at the web you will be able to find many pictures of 750 33 133.
It is easily recognizable, with the Alfa Romeo script on the side. And the Auriana period with the side mirror on a pin.

 

[Mark Cox]

Here are some pics (3) when the car was still in Lord Cranworth's collection. After 1982 it passed to Lawrence Auriana racing team and was occasionally used in historic events (Torrey Pines Hill Climb with Joe Colasacco at the wheel). It is fully restored to factory specs, and recently used for show events. Other photos shows it in actual state.

Many thanks for all these, I am doing some more research on this very car so I will post if I find out anything new.

 

[ARGTAReg]

The last picture is AR tipo 33 Spradale 750 33 104.
But if you look at the web you will be able to find many pictures of 750 33 133.
It is easily recognizable, with the Alfa Romeo script on the side. And the Auriana period with the side mirror on a pin.

All the photos posted are 75033.113 (75033.133). 75033.104 is similar in shape, but another car (in GB).
First two photos are 75033.113-133 as rapresented in registry and other two are 75033.104 from the same source.

 

[davbert]

any pics of the blue and the met green stradale? the green one might be one of the very authentic replica done years ago an the shop might have been sued for doing vintage fcars

 

[2000 touring sp]

ARGTAReg.
I do hope that we can agree on , that we disagree.

 

[robin]

chassis 10533-133

The Stradale 013 with the restamped chassisnumber 133 as discussed in the previous postings was featured in an article in the February 1983 issue of Classic and Sportscars by Dough Nye, pages 34 - 36.

He recalls buying it unseen from the auction for "an American friend."
There are some black and white pictures and the colour ones already shown here in the previous posts.

The car was a non-runner at the time of buying but in good, although used looking shape with some traces of previous racing use (utility quality interiour fittings).

greetings,

Robin

 

[2000 touring sp]

Was it this article

 

[ARGTAReg]

any pics of the blue and the met green stradale? the green one might be one of the very authentic replica done years ago an the shop might have been sued for doing vintage fcars

In 1968 Conte Corrado Agusta, Italian helicopter producer, ordered Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale in unusual blu color. The car was delivered by Marazzi with small changes of interior where the regular AR seats were replaced by helicopter ones. The chassis number of the car is 75033.111 and it passed in different ownership during the years, and is stated in Japan re-colored in red. Among the replicas the only significant quality were those produced by Giovanni Giordanengo from Cuneo that made replicas over few true chassis, and engines based on Montreal 2,5 l. The project was suported by Carlo Chiti that considered small production as continuation of original project. One Giordanengo replica car is stated to be with authentic 33 engine but there is no proof for that. The green ones are simply copies.

 

[robin]

Classic and Sportscar article february 1983

Hello Bjarne,
no this is a different magazine article.
I'll try to upload a scan.

 

[robin]

pictures Agusta's Stradale chassis 75033.111

Hello Davbert,

the German magazine Sportwagen Tuning Extra nr. 2 (somewhere from the early nineties) has an article on the blue car with chassisnumber 75033.111 with some of the pictures shown above and some from the interiour. It seemed that Conte Agusta ordered helicopter seats from his own helicopters in his car.

I'll attach scans.

Robin

 

[2000 touring sp]

Thank you Robin.
Interesting materiel

 

[ARGTAReg]

any pics of the blue and the met green stradale? the green one might be one of the very authentic replica done years ago an the shop might have been sued for doing vintage fcars

Reflection on Davbert’s claiming the high quality replica of 33 Stradale. This is the car offered in some occasions in auctions and stated as the “most near original” Stradale version. It is fine example of Italian craftsmanship executed in the mid ’80 in Giovanni Giordanengo’s workshop in Cuneo. Here is the text that accompanied its presence in auction.
“In March of 1969 the model was discontinued, by which time only 18 examples had been produced. Only a handful of these fabulous machines remain today, and the chance to own an example is a rare treat indeed. It comes as little surprise to read then that Alfa’s Head of North America, at the 2015 launch of the 4C at the Detroit Auto Show, estimated the current market value of the 33 Stradale at “well over $10 million”.

This stunning Tipo 33 Stradale Continuation was purchased by the current vendor in the early 2000s, using as the basis front and rear sections of the magnesium chassis frame of Tipo 33 Stradale chassis number #02, supplied in 1984 by Autodelta (via Marcello Gambi) to Giovanni Giordanengo for the sum of 5,900,000 Lire. At the same time Giordanengo also purchased a number of other components from Gambi, including various items of suspension. An invoice dated 18th October 1984, and endorsed by Gino Vanso of Autodelta, supports this.

Giovanni Giordanengo, a close friend of Autodelta’s Carlo Chiti, was a Cuneo-based ‘artigiano’ renowned for his exacting replicas of competition and road going Ferraris and Alfa Romeos. He was entrusted by Alfa Romeo with creating a Sanction II series of the TZ2, much like Aston Martin did with their DB4 GT Zagato. In the case of the Tipo 33 Stradale, the Alfa Romeo museum’s Tipo 33 was loaned to enable to perfect the shape of Giordanengo’s Tipo 33 Continuation. Once the chassis and suspension components were assembled, a new aluminium body was built to exacting standards by Giordanengo’s craftsmen.

The car was then built up to near completion; the body was painted, the interior was trimmed, the suspension and brakes fitted, as was the glass, electrical system and wiring loom. A stumbling block however was the engine. The original motor was not available, and so the vendor sourced an original Tipo 33 crankcase, and cylinder heads, also a correct 6-speed gearbox, which have now been assembled and fitted to the car. The correct Tipo 33 crankshaft is also available, as are the pistons. The car will also be supplied with a later 3 litre Montreal V8 engine, which can be fitted if required.

Only a handful of the original eighteen Tipo 33s still survive in their original form. Five of the eighteen went on to become concept cars, whilst it is estimated that no more than six Continuations were built in Giordanengo’s lifetime. Needless to say ownership of any Tipo 33 Stradale grants membership to one of the the most exclusive clubs in the world.

This incredibly beautiful car is without doubt the closest you will get to one of the original 18 Tipo 33 Stradales, and provides the next owner with a truly mouth-watering prospect.

 

[davbert]

many thanks for the contributions and answers to my questions guys...

i recall seeing that advert for the red recreation.. for all the spectacular work done on it, why didnt they use the proper momo steering wheel and the 105 shift knob found on the real cars is beyond me.

 

[hunttheshunt]

And even if one of Chiti's beloved dogs would have been born in one of the beautifully handcrafted Giordanengo replica's, it still would not be an original Tipo 33.

All attempts of some different people here on BB to push any of the fakes, no matter if GTA, TZ2, SZ Coda Tronca or T33, in the near of originality status because there is either a VIN, a rest of a frame or Chiti's fingerprint on it, will remain what it is: A fake. A replica. And today a serious trial to make money simply because people seem to believe any story from the internet. Often by so called make specialists. Faking photos, documents seems to be a hobby in these days.

Several attempts can be found on this BB, too.

 

[2000 touring sp]

Hello to you all.
I have been searching about information on chassis 750.33.107.
The last info I have been able to find. Was when I was up for sale in New Zeeland.
If my information I correct. It should be a full race specified tipo 33 stradale. The only one produced with this specification
Any information will be received with pleasure, and in confidence if that is preferred.
Bjarke
aunsbjorn@mail.dk