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alfa romeo tipe 33 stradale prototype questions

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The picture “Un bellissimo novembre” is from the 5 April 1969 .
I am sorry to say that you history dont hold water.
Chassis 105.33.12 is a replica that is built in the 70tis. That is after the movie was taken.
As the one in the picture has the windows viper in the roof it must be the first prototype. 750.33.01 or as you call it 105.33.001. But it is probaly renumbered to 750.
But 01 , the first, was the only with wipers in the roof.
The pictures you have put in is the replica from the 70ties
 
Well, it dont change anything in you statement.
I attach 2 pictures from the picture. Of a tipo 33 with the wiper in the roof.
You can clearly see the wiper.
The other of the front where you can see the scudetto. It’s the casted one. Not the flat laser cut as on you picture example.
The 2 pictures of Proto one and proto 2
To my knowledge, the 001is the only one that had this feature.
There can be an possibility that proto 2 also had a role to play in the movie picture.
But you statement regarding the movie picture . Cant hole water.
 

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You pictures .
The first picture , red. Is proto one it’s in the movie.
The second picture, black and white. It is one from series production.
The third picture, is probably the replica from the museum. It is produced after the picture was released.
The forth picture, red. Is proto one the same one as you have in your first picture.

Please read what i have stated..
Then you will probably be wiser.
I have given in pictures of Proto 1 and proto 2.
And stated that there was probably 2 tipo 33 in the film. If so proto 1 and 2.

You last picture is from series production. There was no wiper on the roof on series production. So it must be a later modification
 
Thank you ”vsharp”
You have seen what i have seen. Alas there must have been 2 differet cars in the mowie. As I have stated.
The question what was the second car. VIN 750.33.112?????? as I regard as a replica. And it is also judged that way by all international notabilities in the game of tipo 33.

105.33.12 Stradale Nachbau des Museo Storicos. Wagen wurde Ende der Siebzigerjahre auf einem gebrauchten Magnesium/Corsa Chassis aufgebaut.
Here it is in Germania language.

So the question is. What was the second car.
I cant remember seen a picture of the second prototype. But I would expect, it’s the one used in the picture. As I have stated.
I anybody have a picture of the original proto 2. I could maybe solve the question
 
I so jested that there i 2 cars.
Because I can’t see one with the vipers in the roof, in the Same picture as we see the vide opening to the rear.
There is cut in the picture in between, as i see it.
In my opinion there is only one with vipers in the roof, Proto one.
But, on the other hand, I don’t think I have seen period pictures of proto 2.
 
I am sorry.
But i am not able to see the viper, in pictures where we see the rear end. There is a shadow. But your clip can be different than the one I am looking on.
But you observation in interesting. If so, it can be the second porotype in the movie picture.
 
I’ve been looking through my files of Stradale pictures.
I shall admit the primary, is what Richard calls Facebook picture.
But there can be one or two that can have interest.
Here is 2 pictures of the rear, with the ventilation in the rear fender. Please note the air vent to engine on the rear.
Can someone tell me what chassis number, that is hidden behind these pictures. I know the one of them. i Think.
 

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Please take another look of the small picture i put in.
It has the 4 small holes in the rear as the picture of proto 1 you have put in.
And it do have the 4 headlights and the wiper on the roof.
So please be exact. And don’t guess
 
La 33 Stradale quando fu messa in vendita (era presente regolarmente a listino presso i concessionari dell’epoca) era una delle auto più costose sul mercato: 9.750.000 lire, al tempo l’Alfa Romeo Giulia TI costava 1.570.000 lire; per una Jaguar si spendevano circa 5 milioni, mentre per una Ferrari occorrevano circa 6 milioni, la Lamborghini “Miura” si fermava a 7.700.000.

This information is from a Italien web page.
It gives an impression in which direction Alfa Romeo was thinking. Alfa Romeos intention witch Tipo 33 was aimed, at the upper segment.
I addition to what they was doing in the competition on championship in Prototype class. They offered the tipo 33 in a version to compete in Sports car championship competition.
They should produce 50 to be homologated as a sports car. The info regarding production numbers says 18 produced. But looking at the known chassis numbers. It is difficult to believe that 18 tipo 33 Stradale was produced.
So the relation to Montreal, as I see it. Was just marketing. Alfa Romeo have stopped with the 2600. So the needed a replacement in that segment. Luraghi promised that , it would be series produce , in connection with the shipment of the prototypes to Montreal.
Unfortunate came the communication between Nuccio Bertone and Luraghi, into a period of mistrust. Witch delayed the introduction of the Montreal.
Re: carrozzeria Marazzi has a long relation to Alfa Romeo. The 1900 prototype was produced by Marazzi. The founder of Marazzi had leaned the skills as employed by Carrozzeria Touring. So they could see an opportunity in taking over the obligations from Touring. And producing the Lamborghini and the Alfa 33 Stradale.
Carrozzria Marazzi did also produce the Alfa Romeo 8C Spider.
 
I dont think that the Stradale on Abarth museum, has any relationship to do with
The Lauranti 750.33.106.
But did the chassis 750.00.106 carrier Spartaci Dino and the beautiful young Girl Suzanna Raganelli, when she drove the 33 Stradale.
It is difficult to find any real information.
Anyone who knows.???
 
My reference list. Excuse it is in German

Chassis-Nummern und Informationen zu einzelnen Fahrzeugen
Chassis-Nr. Karosserie Kommentar
750.33.01 Stradale Der Stradale Prototyp steht heute in Japan, Galleria Abarth
750.33.101 Stradale Erster ausgelieferter Wagen an Henry Wessels III, Belgien
750.33.102 Stradale Soll in Frankreich sein, ist aber in Deutschland
750.33.103 Stradale Corsa ex Tony Fischhaber, ex Rosso-Bianco Museum, Deutschland
750.33.104 Stradale Ex Graf Dönhoff, Sieger am CdE Villa d'Este 2011
750.33.105 Stradale Steht in Deutschland
750.33.106 Stradale Corsa, ex Laureati, Deutschland
750.33.107 Stradale Corsa, mit Magnesium-Chassis, Kunststoffkarosserie, Renngetriebe und Daytona-Motor (Spica-Einspritzung, 270 PS) ein Semi-Rennwagen, zuletzt Neuseeland
750.33.108 Designer-Prototyp Pininfarina Cuneo Spider, Museo Storico
750.33.109 Designer-Prototyp Bertone Carabo, Museo Storico
750.33.110 ?
750.33.111 Stradale Ex Conde Agusta, war orginal blau lackiert, Hayashi, Japan
750.33.112 ?
750.33.113 Stradale Umnummeriert zu #750.33.133 Lawrence Auriana, Canada
750.33.114 Rennwagen Wettbewerbsfahrzeug 33TT12, mit V8 Motor, 'Giro d'Italia Coupe', Joe Nastase, USA
750.33.115 Designer-Prototyp Pininfarina P33 Coupe, Museo Storico
750.33.116 Designer-Prototyp Giugiaro Iguana, Museo Storico
750.33.117 Designer-Prototyp Bertone Navajo, Museo Storico
750.33.118 ?
105.33.12 Stradale Nachbau des Museo Storicos. Wagen wurde Ende der Siebzigerjahre auf einem gebrauchten Magnesium/Corsa Chassis aufgebaut.
Die obige Liste konnte dank der Mithilfe des Automobil-Historikers Jörg Diesfeld erstellt werden. Die drei Fahrzeuge mit "?" sind möglicherweise nie gebaut worden, sie sind sozusagen die Dunkelziffer.