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Hi All,

I wished to ask the community here that know about the Alfa Romeo tipo 33 stradale prototype (with twin headlights each side) why the one in the Alfa Romeo museum is so different from the original photos I have of the car when it came out in the late 60's since the original I am a fan of.

The museum alfa romeo 33 stradale prototype compared to the original photos I have has gold wheels (instead of the silver ones on the original photos), a less aesthetically pleasing front grille, no wing mirrors, no windshield wipers, and it seems missing some delta badges on the bodywork.

I attach a youtube video of the original prototype used in the film bellissimo novembre with the actress gina lolobrigida starring and it is different to the museum car.

So guys was the original remodelled by the team, using different coloured wheels and bodys modifications, or was there more than one stradale with the twin headlamps per side and if so what happened to the original?

 

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All good questions which may or may not have answers. When we owned Stradale #101, it was supposed to be the first "production" model, delivered new to Henry Wessells, who know Carlo Chiti quite well. The original prototype was supposed to be #001, but the museum car is #012, so perhaps there were two 4 head light cars. I collected a lot of photos of most of the Stradales, including the prototype. The prototype seemed to change over the various pictures, so I guessed that it was continually modified. I visited Carrozeria Marazzi, who built the bodies, but couldn't communicate with them very well. They apparently built one for Gina Lollabriggita. Not sure if the one in the Youtube clip is hers. Ours is pictured in another Youtube video, with it being driven around a parking lot and loaded on a trailer. Most of the ones that I got photos of were different in details. They were hand built at Marrazzi and assembled at Autodelta, as far as I know. There have been various lists of serial numbers, including what is in Ed McDonough's book, but none are complete. I gave Ed all the info that I had, but it's still a guessing game.
Keith
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Thank you Keith for the information. I read about your former 33 stradale in a classic and sportscar article some years ago. I also saw your former car being driven in the parking lot ion youtube in belgium I believe, lovely example with the attractive alfa v sloping downwards in the grille and the polished silver line running across the grille, unlike the grille of the one in the museum and those on other stradales I have seen. Indeed your former car was the best of the single headlamp per side stradales I have seen in my humble opinion.

You say Marazzi built one for Gina Lollobrigida?! Maybe this is a 33 stradale that nobody has seen yet in public because it was projected 50 to be built but most articles say only 18 were in fact built but nobody knows for sure I believe!

Actually I read in this section of limited cars a recent thread by Borzacchini Jr in which he says that 750.33.01 was sold to Gallery Abarth Museum in Japan and the Museum and that an exact replica visually was made on 105.33.12 using a racing chassis to replace it in the museum. However I wished someone else to confirm this or not.
Now the only replicas that I know of were (or are still?) built by Giordanengo but in my opinion the original car that is shown in two photos in road and track in December 1967 should be in the museum
with the plate "Prova MI.1310" should be
 

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33 Stradale

Fusi lists 18 produced, but I'm not sure that even that many were built. The various special bodied show cars are part of the Stradale production, so there may only be 12 or so actual Stradales.
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Hi Alfettapb,
Not that I can add anything to your 33 Stradale info, but for what it's worth, keep everything said by Borzacchini Jnr in your doubtful file until proved otherwise.
This character has been threading bulls-hit into factual events and stories on this and apparently other-make forums too. He has also faked many photos to try to support his false claims.
Nobody seems to know why he does it.....just gets off on it I suppose.
Kind regards,
Vince.
 

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Keith regarding your opinion that not even 12 were made yeah I read some place the same thing that the some styling exercises show cars used the 33 stradale running gear and these were part of the 18.
However having italian origin myself I am "guessing" that over and above the confusion regarding how many were built because not very much at autodelta was noted down, a few cars delivered to Italian clients "could" have been lost from record and may never have been shown in public before, being still part of a private collection somewhere.
I remember reading in the auto press last year that an ITalian who acquired a ferrari daytona spider from new still has it so why cannot there be a 33 stradale still with its original owner out there somewhere?
 

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33 Stradales

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Just found a list of cars that were for sale from the Peter Kaus Rosa Bianca Collection in Grmany. It lists a whole bunch of Type 33s, including a Stradale with dual head lights. No serial numbers however. Someone must have a serial numbered list. They were sold off at auction of a period of time.
It seems that there must have been more than 1 or 2 of the 4 head light versions.
 

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Thanks Keith for the info and agreed there must have been more than 1 or 2 of the 4 headlight stradales built...i prefer personally the look of those four headlamp cars.
Yeah the Peter Kaus Collection was sort of an unofficial Alfa Romeo museum collection of tipo 33 cars. It is a real pity that the Alfa Romeo museum with Fiat group money could not have bought the entire tipo 33 collection of Peter Kaus for display in Milan or in touring museum dispalys across the world
 

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2000touring....thanks for the share of the article piece but if you look further up this thread you will see I posted some time ago a clip of this film with her getting into being, drven in, and then stepping out of the tipo 33 stradale, the four headlamp prototype. So beautiful car and suitably pretty actress to go with it.
 

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Un bellissimo novembre

Car used for the film “Un bellissimo novembre” is one of two four lights version Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale cars, precisely the one with VIN 750.33.112 that is in Arese Museum today. This version is slightly different from the first prototype produced at Settimo Milanese Autodelta factory, and was completed in 1968 on lightened chassis, thought for racing.
Among the papers left as Autodelta’s heritage, there are some indicative letters written by Scaglione to Chiti, which could explain the 33 Stradale (with four lights) genesis. There is the formal accepting of onus to build the prototype at Autodelta premises based at factory’s involvement in providing all necessary materials, logistic and skill, as visible from the Scaglione’s act dated 17 December 1966, and Chiti’s affirmative answer dated 29 December 1966. Already, 2 February 1967 Scaglione confirmed (and paid) the wooden form used for body hammering, to Giovanni Raniero from Orbassano near Turin. On 16 March 1967, two complete body panel sets (320.000 Liras for “due lastrature ”in 12/10 aluminum and not Peraluman) were paid to Saracino & Lingua from Druento near Turin. (Saracino & Lingua has produced almost all body panels for Scaglione’s prototypes physically). The first four lights (a doppia parabola) prototype (still with “old” code 105.33.001 stamped on chassis) was assembled at Settimo Milanese almost entirely by bodywork specialists Carnovali (engaged for occasion) and Scussat (already Autodelta employee) from aluminum panels provided by Saracino & Lingua. During the works (4 August 1967) Chiti asked Scaglione to test different windshield wiper position (remember the different wiper position on those two cars), and to find solutions to reduce the weight for one of Stradales intended to participate at 24 hours of Le Mans in 1967, together with open “Fléron” version cars. All the chassis for Stradale, based on steel tubes were elaborated at Autodelta and not at Aeronautica Sicula, and were 10 cm longer wheelbase to obtain more comfortable ****pit. As the racing program showed serious delay, Le Mans race was excluded from the program, and Stradale in its lightened version remained unfinished until March 1968, when Scaglione finished his engagement with Autodelta and left Settimo Milanese and Alfa Romeo forever. Before definitive farewell, he gave final help in finishing 750.33.101 (the first “parabola singola”, twin lights, sold to H. Wessels in US) which was made in Peraluman, and left unfinished “competition” Stradale 750.33.112. That unfinished car was the second four lights version made from second aluminum set produced by Saracino & Lingua and is now in Arese Museum. Marazzi has produced 11 Stradale cars and nine of them have known history. Cars 750.33.110 and 750.33.118 left no traces in documents, though Zeccoli has remembered that he delivered personally to Reza Pahlavi one Stradale that could be one of this two numbers. Two cars with four front lights were not street legal as they have lights lower than minimum allowed and remained without registration (the car from “Un bellissimo novembre” had plates loaned for movie purposes) The story that Arese Museum car is later creation by Giordanengo, over racing chassis is pure urban legend. To create shorter Stradale body over racing chassis is impossible for numerous reasons, which is useless to explain here.
Here is 750.33.112
 

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The picture “Un bellissimo novembre” is from the 5 April 1969 .
I am sorry to say that you history dont hold water.
Chassis 105.33.12 is a replica that is built in the 70tis. That is after the movie was taken.
As the one in the picture has the windows viper in the roof it must be the first prototype. 750.33.01 or as you call it 105.33.001. But it is probaly renumbered to 750.
But 01 , the first, was the only with wipers in the roof.
The pictures you have put in is the replica from the 70ties
 

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...... and all of his telltales can be later read in his book. A kind of new history of GTA's, 33's, GtAm's - Bollywood couldn't create a better story than Vladimir.0:)

Amen !
 

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The car in the Museo Storico is authentic. It is not replica, it has nothing to do with replica and its VIN is 750.33.112. If you examine carefully its top, you will find answer to one of your statements. Its wheelbase is the one of Stradale version and is 10 cm longer than presumed racing chassis wheelbase used for replica. For more clearings, send letter to Mr. Lorenzo Ardizio from Museo Storico. Here is address.
 

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Well, it dont change anything in you statement.
I attach 2 pictures from the picture. Of a tipo 33 with the wiper in the roof.
You can clearly see the wiper.
The other of the front where you can see the scudetto. It’s the casted one. Not the flat laser cut as on you picture example.
The 2 pictures of Proto one and proto 2
To my knowledge, the 001is the only one that had this feature.
There can be an possibility that proto 2 also had a role to play in the movie picture.
But you statement regarding the movie picture . Cant hole water.
 

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