[speedyspaghetti]

Well--I have ridden in several track/race E30s and I have to say that they handle great. I do not believe that the camber/suspension changes referred to occur at levels that compromise the handling at all.
I am not a BMW prop-head but they are very good on track. Having said that, I believe my Milano will be every bit as fast but as I said before, the proof will be self evident.

For you guys not familiar with Road Atlanta check out their website. It is a very challenging track that many of the Euro drivers from the American Le Mans series rate very highly. Also there is a ton of in-car footage available on the web...

 

[slyalfa]

that is cool. it looked like the e30's were playing dirty. it looks like one car hit the alfa (pit-man move)to make it spin out so the team mate could win.

 

[Grant]

Will you be modifying the Dedion or changing the geometry of the front suspension?

 

[speedyspaghetti]

If your are asking me (SS) I have converted to the earlier castor rod set up and coil overs. No change in spindle height until I track the car several weekends (or more) to determine. The Dedion will have no modifications until I have driven the car alot on track (multiple tracks) and optimized ride height and rear sway bar ( Adjustable 26mm from Ron Simons).
After that I may modify the extra Dedion and /or the extra spindles that I have laying around.
Getting back to the beginning of the thread. I do not believe that I will have any more $ in this Milano than some of my E30 pals have in theirs so it WILL be a fair fight! SS

 

[alfistachile]

Speedyspaghetti,

you will got the definitive answer to this thread, us you say it will be a fair fight, but what about the weight, here when we run the e30 it must weight at least 1070kg...
that also plays to.

What i traid to said about the camber variations in the turns, is that in a car with about 230 whp, when the wheels bites to litle of the ground(because the camber) you have a lot of wheel spin.

 

[jim555]

and lets not forget that the evos are turbo... not NA like bmw's...

that video shows just what torque is... and that lighter and more balanced turbo car is always faster than nose heavy s6 in bmw...

it was widely know in those days that bmws are faster on the straight but alfas are much more nimble and balanced so can brake later and have far superior entry and exit speeds than bmw...

 

[j.k.QV]

If those e30 are m3's, then they should have had 4 cylinder engines (s14) AFAIK.

 

[Grant]

SS,

I wouldn't buy the 26mm rear sway bar if you haven't already. It's too stiff for most purposes. I have RS front coilovers and a 28mm front bar...I'd rather have a 24mm rear bar or just a stock one.

Put up some pictures of your build if you haven't already!

 

[davbert]

way cool vid

i recall in the early years of the E30 m3 ETCC GrA races, the bimmers moped up the series without any notable resistance from the 190-16 or the alfa75. they really did clean house with those cars....

it wasnt until the later 155 touring cars that alfa even the score... but those cars evolved to a point where the underpinnings where unrecognizable from the Gr A road cars.



thanx for postin

 

[speedyspaghetti]

Grant---i will start a new thread with some pictures and history of the car elsewhere although I am not sure anything has been resolved between E30 and Milano.

The E30s that I have been referring sound like they are quite different than what some of the participants are talking about. The E30s I refer to are built to the SPEC E30 rules that the BMW club and NASA use. They are 325i s that have 160hp and weigh around 2700 lbs with limited mods allowed. I believe that these cars(basically stock except suspension) and my Milano will allow a close comparison of the brands.... SS

 

[slyalfa]

I meant to say in my earlier post that I have a 26mm rear sway bar already, in addition to those items.

Whatever the outcome is, spec E30 vs "spec" Milano (a thread I remember that was created in the past) I know I'd rather be driving the Alfa =)

-Grant

 

[speedyspaghetti]

Amen to that!

 

[Rookie ROX]

On that note, someone linked this to me the other day, I thought it was brilliant.

Available from eBay somewhere apparently.

ROCK ON
R~R

 

[speedyspaghetti]

I must get one of those!!

However, the propeller heads that I track with will not be amused!

 

[Mound Dawg]

Here you go:- Alfa 75 - View topic - T-SHIRTS

I won one of these shirts in the photo comp. And yes, I DID wear it at the Nurburgring.

 

[davbert]

The indepedant de-dion rear suspension is in the homologation papers of the 75 turbo evo, as far as i know only one was made RHD car that was being restored by Nick Humphries a few years ago. Normal Imsa 75's have the adjustable castor camber ,coil over set up as on my car

independant de-dion...

isnt that an oxymoron?

 

[GTV6SA]

Davbert FYI look at photo 3 , obviously you dont know anything about Imsa 75 suspension and or Autodelta/alfacorse variants

 

[GTV6SA]

The dedion in photo 3 acts like 2 independant wishbones and as I have stated before only 1 was built a RHD 75 Turbo by Alfacorse that was destined for Australia that was being restored by Nick humphries in the UK

 

[davbert]

cool! thanks for enlighten me on that with the scathing reply... I must say i certainly didnt know about that 75 imsa. i have seen the upper pics 1,2 dedion with the adjustable camber hubs seen on some of the group A or Gr4 turbodeltas however but not the IRS.

but (photo 5) really isnt a dedion anymore now is it?....technically speaking that is. so what u speak of is an oxymoron. it maybe helpful to stop calling it as such. its a chopped up dedion tube that acts more like a champan strut unless there are more control arms that attach to top of the hubs... dedion is basically acts like a solid axle with a floating diff. but we dont need to reiterate that here on the 75 section

why isnt anybody replicating that part and uprights? that would seem to be the holy grail of rear suspension modification for transaxle/sei cars much like what the 124 abarth IRS is to the fiats.

so on the 2 rear pivots where do they mount to transfer the loads ? some sort or carrier or sub-bracket mounted to the bottom of the trunk area? maybe nick can take more photos to post here on the bb.

fantastic post thanks for putting up the homog sheet


db

 

[slyalfa]

what is 5 and 6?
And I would love to see more of this stuff.