So you're in Utah, from your name?

Best places to monitor are here, Bringatrailer, SF and LA Craigslist, ebay. You could import one, but there's a decent supply of good cars in the US. The only ones sold new in the US were Giulia TI 1600 and Giulia Super 1600, 1964-1968ish. All others will have been brought in from elsewhere. There are many variations, and names are similar, so be careful and bone up. Many in the US have had engine, brake, wheel, or interior changes, so identifying a specific model is not always easy.

Andrew

 

Andrew,
Yes Utah, great canyons to drive in.

Thanks for the information. I did not realize there was such a short import period for the Giulia. One of my biggest concerns, is the hanging pedals vs. the floor pedals is the angle - for driving - the floor pedals looks weird (reminiscent of the S1 LR). Can you shed some light on that experience? The Car scene in Utah is very closed. So it is hard to see and drive something before buying. In fact I had never driven a Series Rover before I bought mine. I had heard they were low geared...but that is a story for another day...

I was very interested in the recent Super sale on BaT from the PNW but felt that the price was a little high, and the color did not quite do it for me.

My 110 was something I imported so that is not intimidating for me. I simply want to find a good car.

Thank you for the response. I am hoping someone has a good car they are willing to part with and will reach out to me.
Andrew

 

Andrew offers good advice. He understands the Giulia Super scene very well; certainly better than I do.

Note that Alfa used the "Giulia" brand for a variety of cars, typically with 1600cc engines. These included convertibles (AKA "Spiders"), coupes (AKA "GT's"), as well as Sedans (AKA "Supers"). So saying that you are looking for a "Giulia" is a bit general.

the recent Super sale on BaT from the PNW but felt that the price was a little high

Supers have become very collectible over the past few years. I'm not familiar with the Super on BaT from the PNW, but if the market bid it up to $X, then it probably was worth $X.

One of my biggest concerns, is the hanging pedals vs. the floor pedals is the angle - for driving - the floor pedals looks weird (reminiscent of the S1 LR). Can you shed some light on that experience?

I don't quite understand what your concerns are. My own feet seem to work just fine on both my standing pedal and hanging pedal cars.

The Car scene in Utah is very closed. So it is hard to see and drive something before buying.

Well, that sucks. You should move to Southern California - low taxes, no congestion, and people with a great sense of humor.

 

Yes, "Giulia" on introduction referred to the 1600 engine. But as to the 105 series sedan, Giulia means any of them, 1300 or 1600. My site, berlinaregister.com, has a rundown on the various models, as does the Giulia forum's stickies. Lots of good info here.

Hanging pedals are cheaper and easier to deal with as to the hydraulic cylinders, and for some people have more natural swing to match the movement of the leg. Floor pedals are more vintage looking and feeling, and for some folks are tough to get used to. I grew up on them, I like them better. Also, there are exhaust differences due to the pedal box. But no question, if you're changing a brake or clutch master cylinder, hanging pedals are cheaper and easier. The change was in spring 1970 or thereabouts. No US-market Giulia came with hanging pedals, but my guess is now there are more imported cars with hanging pedals than floor pedal.

Andrew

 

Jay/Andrew,
Wow, and there you have it. I displayed my ignorance, and you were gentle about it. Thank you. From spending time on LR forums, honestly, I did not expect "gentle". Thank you again.

Yes, I am interested in the 105 Giulia Sedan. Again, the hanging versus floor pedals are another indicator of my ignorance (I have also never owned a S1 LR). If there is no real difference in the driving experience then I am less concerned, although I have avoided the LR S1 experience of the floor pedals out of not being fully aware of the complexities. I do know the LR floor pedal parts and maintenance cost are higher, and if the floor pedals of the AR are like the LR then they tend to catch all the road grime and can be a bit more, lets say challenging? I am not a mechanic so if one road is easier, I tend to move in that direction. I like to drive my cars more than work on them, that being said, I do think I do more of the latter than the former.

My GF's sister lives in the SoCal area, I will try to make car events when I am there...

I will check out the register.

I will be up front and honest, my budget is in the $20K realm delivered...is that unrealistic for a good solid, no drama driver?

Andrew

Just checked out the register. Seems AR was as random as LR was back in the day! Good info for sure!

Jay - just picked up on your sarcasm? Low taxes, low congestion, and people with a sense of humor. I have driven there, so I know there is a good amount of congestion. Leading me to believe you are being sarcastic. Although I will say the car scene is very cool with a lot of participation.

 

I did a long reply last night, doesn't seem to be here. Harumph.
In short, you can probably get a 1600 Super project or low/mid-level driver for that money, or a better 1300 TI or 1300 Super. Buy the best car you can afford, regardless of spec or model, is my advice. Easy enough to change brakes, wheels, engine, etc., later, compared to fixing rust, sourcing the right interior, or finishing an incomplete car.
Andrew

 

Wanted car

Hello. I have a car that you may be interested in. I am selling a 1974 giulia super 1600. It is all original and in immaculate condition. Contact me at 4843646023 for more info and pictures.

 

I have been doing more research and am again looking to join the ranks of the alfisti. It would seem I need to up my budget a bit so am open to more expensive cars. I am looking for a 1600/1300 Super, a Ti or GTV. A Stepnose would be cool too. I am looking for something I can drive without worrying about reducing its collectibility. So I guess I am saying nothing so good that I would be afraid to drive it. I am looking in all the normal spots for cars but think it is much like the Land Rover world, many of the good cars at reasonable prices are sold privately. Let me know if you have something I might be interested in. Drew

 

I am looking for a 1600/1300 Super, a Ti or GTV. A Stepnose would be cool too. I am looking for something I can drive without worrying about reducing its collectibility. So I guess I am saying nothing so good that I would be afraid to drive it.

Free advice is worth exactly what it costs. So . . . here is some free advice. First of all congratulations on discovering these old Alfas. I just had my '72 Super aligned along with a new tie-rod install and was once again astonished at just how nice an old Alfa can be when everything's working right. These cars have genuine magical qualities that most other cars, even performance cars, seem to lack.

Here are a few suggestions. Basically, all of the Alfas from the period of which we speak share important design elements. What makes a Super or TI such an exciting car is that it's underpinnings are interchangeable with other more exotic looking Alfas. If you're interested in sedans, I can suggest that you also take a look at the Alfa Berlina's from about '69 to '74. These cars may lack the pug-ugly cutelness of the TI's and Supers, but they are great cars with their own discernible Alfa charm. In period the Berlinas were more upscale from the Supers, had a longer wheelbase and were intended to compete with period BMW's. Many of the later cars also came equipped with air-conditioning, something few other Alfas sold here had. Compared to Super prices, Berlinas of equal condition can be bought for thousands less at the moment.

Another Alfa that is often overlooked is the GTjr. This was a model that wasn't formally sold here in the States although it was a popular model in Europe. It was basically an "economy model" GTV and if that seems a bit schizoid you're not alone. Basically the GTjr look very much like GTV's drive like GTV's, sound like GTV's and, but for more economical interior fittings (which can be easily changed) are GTV's in most respects. Even though they weren't formally imported more than a few made it to this country as personal imports or in the baggage of returning military or government people who purchased them in Europe. GTjr., despite their similarity to GTV's, don't generally sell for as much money as GTV's. A friend and member of the Austin Alfa community happens to have one that is almost for sale. I'll ask him to contact you.

Re: finding a car. The best advice I can give you is 1. keep looking. Don't get frustrated and buy a car that isn't really what you want. Instead, form a firm opinion abut what you want and keep turning over rocks until you find it. Yes, it will take longer, yes you'll run down rabbit holes, yes you'll miss deals you wished you'd known about, etc., etc. . . . the list can go on and on. But each time you look at a car, think about a car, talk to people about a car, you'll be learning a little more. Finally, after you've hopefully looked a good sample of Alfas you'll have a clear idea of what you want. Then, when all is said and done, you've looked at some cars and gotten a good idea of what's out there, the absolute be-all-end-all piece of advice I can share with you is this: buy the very best car you can find. It will probably cost more than you expect, but in the long run you'll be money and time ahead with a car that needs very little and can provide you years of enjoyment. Good luck and keep us posted!

 

Free advice is worth exactly what it costs. So . . . here is some free advice. First of all congratulations on discovering these old Alfas. I just had my '72 Super aligned along with a new tie-rod install and was once again astonished at just how nice an old Alfa can be when everything's working right. These cars have genuine magical qualities that most other cars, even performance cars, seem to lack.

Here are a few suggestions. Basically, all of the Alfas from the period of which we speak share important design elements. What makes a Super or TI such an exciting car is that it's underpinnings are interchangeable with other more exotic looking Alfas. If you're interested in sedans, I can suggest that you also take a look at the Alfa Berlina's from about '69 to '74. These cars may lack the pug-ugly cutelness of the TI's and Supers, but they are great cars with their own discernible Alfa charm. In period the Berlinas were more upscale from the Supers, had a longer wheelbase and were intended to compete with period BMW's. Many of the later cars also came equipped with air-conditioning, something few other Alfas sold here had. Compared to Super prices, Berlinas of equal condition can be bought for thousands less at the moment.

Another Alfa that is often overlooked is the GTjr. This was a model that wasn't formally sold here in the States although it was a popular model in Europe. It was basically an "economy model" GTV and if that seems a bit schizoid you're not alone. Basically the GTjr look very much like GTV's drive like GTV's, sound like GTV's and, but for more economical interior fittings (which can be easily changed) are GTV's in most respects. Even though they weren't formally imported more than a few made it to this country as personal imports or in the baggage of returning military or government people who purchased them in Europe. GTjr., despite their similarity to GTV's, don't generally sell for as much money as GTV's. A friend and member of the Austin Alfa community happens to have one that is almost for sale. I'll ask him to contact you.

Re: finding a car. The best advice I can give you is 1. keep looking. Don't get frustrated and buy a car that isn't really what you want. Instead, form a firm opinion abut what you want and keep turning over rocks until you find it. Yes, it will take longer, yes you'll run down rabbit holes, yes you'll miss deals you wished you'd known about, etc., etc. . . . the list can go on and on. But each time you look at a car, think about a car, talk to people about a car, you'll be learning a little more. Finally, after you've hopefully looked a good sample of Alfas you'll have a clear idea of what you want. Then, when all is said and done, you've looked at some cars and gotten a good idea of what's out there, the absolute be-all-end-all piece of advice I can share with you is this: buy the very best car you can find. It will probably cost more than you expect, but in the long run you'll be money and time ahead with a car that needs very little and can provide you years of enjoyment. Good luck and keep us posted!

Thank you for your very informative input. I have toyed with the idea of a Berlina, and know myself, a Giulia or GTV for me. The JR's are on my radar, but even more far and few between. I have reached out to various SME's on this site and elsewhere and they are being incredibly helpful in keeping me patient and looking for a good car! I appreciate any leads you can send my way! Utah is a dead zone for interesting cars and as such I am reaching further afield for sure. Drew...patiently waiting for the right car!

 

Not having looked at prices for some time, I don't know the market.
But I guess that a 105 Super would be lower-priced than the equivalent quality 105 Coupe.
Supers are fun and.....well....special.

 

Thank you for your very informative input. I have toyed with the idea of a Berlina, and know myself, a Giulia or GTV for me. The JR's are on my radar, but even more far and few between.

Sadly, excellent driver-quality-needs-little-or-nothing GTV's and also Giulia Supers are no long in the $20k US range, although you might get lucky . . . Good Berlinas can still be found for that money which is why I mentioned them. When I was looking for my Super in '09, if I had come across a comparable Berlina before I found my Super, I most likely would have bought it instead.

 

Hi all. I have been following this thread with interest as I have also been looking for some time for the right GT. My focus is a GT 1600 Junior. I actually live in Belgium. Here in Europe there is currently many GT 1300's on the market but the 1600's are far and few. That said I am going to check out a part-restored 1973 GT1600 Jr here in Belgium tomorrow. Taking my magnet and flashlight along! Wish me luck.

Separately, I'd be very much interested in finding find out more about the one 180OUT's friend might consider selling if it's a 1600. That said, first dibs to Andrew of course!

 

Andrew - Incidentally, here are a couple of worthy European sites in case you want to consider importing and/or to compare and contrast:

Classic Cars for Sale | Car and Classic
This is a British one. Probably the biggest in Europe. There are American adverts in there also so definitely worth having a look.

Anciennes Voitures & Motos de Collection | LesAnciennes.com
This is a French site but the posts are from all over Europe. Not sure how good your French is but if you use Chrome as your browser, on the top left, it asks you if you want t the site translated and if you click, you're in business. I tried this just now and works fine.

Classic Cars for Sale on Classic Trader | www.classic-trader.com
On the top right you can pick your language (currency adjusts accordingly)

happy hunting.

 

Forgot to add this one:

https://auction.catawiki.com/#cw-link-cars-boats-motorcycles
This is a European live auction site similar to BaT. They have all sorts of auction but you'll see the is a classic car auction (all comers) but also one that is focused on Italian cars, another focused on German cars etc.

 

Well, went to see the 1973 GT1600 Junior. Shocking! At one stage I was doubting the magnet I took with me and had to try it on my car to reassure myself that it was working. The entire car as made of filler. Every single piece of advice on checking a car, which I gratefully picked up from the Alfabb community, proved what a piece of utter junk this car was and the lengths unscrupulous people go through to cover up things. Anyway, I felt sorry for the car to be honest. Poor thing. Anyway, the search for the elusive GT1600 goes on...

 

One of our members, Rodrick22gtv out of NE (not Nebraska!) is someone I highly recommend on searches on the Continent. He has a nose for very good cars and is willing to find just about anything. He traveled to Italy to secure my GT Jr which was off the radar and has since been passed on to a new owner here in the states after some years of my happy ownership.. Click on his name plate by going to TOOLS and "member search" and check out his "threads started" in the drop down box. He does it for a hobby and charges very minimally for his searches. Best of all, he knows what to look for in shortcomings on a car. If I was on the Euro I would own an Alfa Sud.. So cheap it is silly. Only late 70's and 80's cars ..no rust and good ones less than $10000. I believe a clean one is a tremendous car and they have a certain cult following we in the States haven't picked up on. If only I was a bit more "fiddling" motivated I would have one brought in to give the Fulvia boys a run for their money on the road. ( I owned one of those too)

As 1800 said .. advice is cheap...It is really hard to shop without pinning down a model. Floor mounted pedals ended after '69 and have a certain feeling that is better than hanging pedals but doesn't make for a deal breaker. IMO, the best car for the buck is a clean Alfetta GTV. Super clean cars can be had for less than $15000. Alfettas have a certain uniqueness and quirkiness that keeps the prices down .. Rear mounted trans and inboard brakes and Alfetta specific mechanical components. It's yet to be determined if they will ever accelerate in value but so are the questions of Wall Street.

As for a search for a 1600 Jr.. I would prefer a 1300 Jr with step-nosed body. More of them, better investment IMO. Of course originality and no rust NONE trumps all choices. Any car with SOME rust must have absolutely no excuses mechanically.. There are just too many of those out there to ride the wave of appreciation and you are better off buying a sound car that needs mechanical work than the reverse but those are rarely the case. For Utah, spiders are going to be expensive...The Super 1.3 ( My last and only Alfa) and the Nuova are still affordable... Do your research. Half the fun of finding the right car is RESEARCH. There isn't enough room on this thread to give it ALL to you in the Cliffs Notes version.

Lastly, beware of the "flip" fresh out of the oven restoration.. A pig with lipstick in most cases doesn't show it's true colors until it has been on the road for a season or two.

 

It's amazing how some people think alike, I imported my 72 a few years ago from Switzerland and it is easier to modify with hanging pedals instead of floor. As the other fellows said it is advisable to buy the best car possible because heavy rust repairs will be too costly and finding the right shop to do it is also difficult. I do a lot of my own work to keep cost reasonable. Importing is also a bit complicated and costly. If you need any help feel free to contact me. My prior restoration was a concourse vintage Ferrari documented but my love has always been Alfas. The Giulia Super is fun to drive and I don't need to be in a Giorgio Armani suit.

 

Thank you all for the tips and advice. I do want a solid car, prefer rust free as well, I can work on my own stuff...to a point. Body work is not one of my talents. I am somewhat focused on a Giulia. However GTV's seem to be more available so shop those, I would not pass up a good one. I am not unfamiliar with importing as I bought a 1986 LR 110 out of France a few years ago.

divotandtralee: Thank you for the member referral. I will certainly reach out to him!

quattroporte..nice Defender and beautiful Alfa!

I attached pics of my current fleet.

 

When a noob is in the hunt for a Giulia (sedan) I always recommend that they read all of the stickies at the top of the Sedan forum to understand the various years, models and trim options. Having the below table alongside helps to put them all in perspective. But the above is correct in that many cars over 40 years have been modified and some drastically. I had two Nuovas that had been completely modified outside to look like a Series 2 or 3 Super and that takes a lot (but nothing on the inside). Others less modified with maybe just a donor trunk lid with the wrong script or some added trim bling to a S3 (72-74) Unificata. Sometimes it's just difficult to tell from photos but the smaller TI and earlier 1300 (to 72) tail lights are usually a good tell.

Many of us have bought our Supers (and TI's) in Europe as there is a much greater selection and variety. My three and two sold for example. It used to be that prices were much lower and some still are but there is near parity now. But honestly 5-10 years ago it was just about low availability here. On a recent review of major NW Euro car sales sites, I found some 50 for sale in one day alone in NW Europe. But most were 1300's or Nuovas. Good S1's are fetching big prices now in Europe. (See "Wanted Alive" thread in stickies). For a while EuroClassix imported about 15 from mainly Italy and sold them but at my last look they had only one. That window may have closed.

As far as Euro sites, I prefer: AutoScout24, Mobile and Marktplatz (both NL, BE and DE) and use The Gallery Brummen as a price outlier (usually high).

As far as pedals, I have both types and feel no difference. Maybe the latter are better for 2L upgrades.

You can chedk mine out in the links in the signature block.

Happy hunting!

 

Does anyone know this car?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-alfa-romeo-giulia-super/

 

Looking at the rockers it looks like undercoating rather than paint? Is the interior out of a later car? And in the trunk there are two”posts” in the forward corners behind the back seat. What are those for. Admittedly looking at it on my phone which isn’t ideal.

 

The VIN to me is a 1300 Super. I'm sure it'll get talked about at length on BaT.
Any car from Europe I would look at pretty carefully.
Andrew

 

Found my, new to me, 1300 Super. Pics to follow when I have it in my possession! :grin2:

 

So after a bit, and a bit of work so I can drive it home from port, paperwork is done. Need to get it on a boat and this side of the pond.

 

Congrats! Great looking car.. I know youve been looking for a long time

 

Looks V. good.