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'65 Giulia TZ1 in Houston

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#1 ·
I just found this for sale while doing a search for Alfa's in Houston. She can't be more than 20 miles from my house! I may have to venture down there to see it in person. Of course, I'll have to take my drool bucket along!:)
What's the history of chassis no. AR750094?
 
#2 ·
94

1965 Alfa Romeo TZ-1
Alain de Cadenet explained to me a few years back that he bought his first Ferrari GTO because he couldn’t afford the TZ-1 he really wanted
by Thor Thorson

lfa Romeo replaced the Giulietta in 1962 with the Giulia range of cars, powered by 1,570 cc engines. In 1963, the company introduced a radical aluminum-bodied Zagato coupe incorporating the Kamm tail coda tronca design from the earlier SZ-2 and a low grille with covered headlights.

This was mounted on a tubular steel chassis made from small diameter tubing that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the Giulia product. In fact, the engine, gearbox, and a few other minor components were virtually the only Giulia parts used for the new car, which quickly became known as the TZ-1, for Tubolare Zagato. The rear suspension was innovative and fully independent, with differential-mounted disc brakes and trailing half axles, and many other parts were manufactured exclusively for the car with light alloy Electron components to save weight.

While most of the components were made at the main factory in Portello, the build of the car was entrusted to head competition engineer Carlo Chiti of Autodelta, the quasi factory race team based at Udine.

094 STARTED LIFE IN FRANCE

Chassis 094 was delivered to SOFAR, the Alfa Romeo France central distributorship, on May 14, 1965, finished in white with a black interior. The TZ-1 Registry offers the only known history of the car and suggests that it remained in France until September 1989, when it was sold to Holland in non-running condition, fitted with a roll bar, sliding windows, and finished in Alfa red with a brown corduroy interior. In 1994, the owner had the car restored at the Daytona Garage in Leiden before consigning it for sale. There is no real evidence that the car sold and only a passing reference to some possible rally competition and possible owners in Holland, France, and Switzerland. The engine is recorded as being rebuilt in early 1998 before being sold in March at a Brooks auction in Geneva.
The SCM Analysis
Details
Years Produced 1963–65
Number Produced 112
Original List Price $7,200
SCM Valuation $450,000–$525,000
Tune-up Cost
Distributor Caps $15 (single plug); $1,000 (twin plug)
Chassis # Location Upper main tube, left side of engine compartment firewall
Engine # Location boss on block under front carburetor
Club Info Alfa Romeo Owners Club
Website click to visit
Alternatives 1963–65 Simca-Abarth, 1965–66 Lotus 26R, 1963–64 Porsche 904
Investment Grade A

This car sold for $379,500 at the Worldwide Group Hilton Head auction, November 4, 2006.

Of all post-war Alfas, I doubt that any come close to the iconic status and intense emotional response engendered by the TZ-1. From the beginning they were seen as beautiful, lithe giant killers, combining light weight, great handling, and good aerodynamics in an arguably streetable package with basically production components.

Alain de Cadenet explained to me a few years back that he bought his first Ferrari GTO (very used) because he couldn’t afford the Alfa TZ-1 he really wanted. He hasn’t exactly had reason to lament the decision, but the point is real. If you’re a true lover of Italian performance machinery, a TZ is one of those cars you really need to own.

ONE OF THE EASIEST TO CLONE

The underlying problem is that of the “cars you really need to own,” the TZ is one of the easiest to clone. It’s a fabricated tubular frame with a hand-built aluminum body and mostly production Alfa drivetrain. The car-specific parts (bellhousing, tailshaft, differential housing, and a few others) are relatively simple castings, easy enough to make. Combine that with a relatively large production run (just over 100) and a reasonable number of “lost” chassis (accidents, fires, etc.) and you have a recipe for automotive entrepreneurship.

I have personal knowledge of this. About seven years ago a man associated with my company raised his hand at an auction and bought what was represented as chassis 003. We in turn sold it on to England where it was discovered to be an absolute fake. We bought it back and resold it as a known replica for roughly 20% of a real car’s value. It’s the most money I’ve ever lost on a car deal, a painful lesson and very well learned. If you’re buying a TZ Alfa, be extremely cautious about the provenance; there are a lot of bad ones mingling with the good examples.

I have no direct knowledge of the subject car, only the catalog copy and the various research materials available to people who know how to look. I’ve never inspected the car (and from the evidence above don’t have a good record of recognizing replicas), so I’m not in any position to pass judgment on how “good” it might or might not be.

THERE MAY BE A PROBLEM

A paper chase of the available information suggests that there may be a problem, though. As the catalog notes, the Alfa TZ Registry shows that the car was sold in 1965 and next shows up in 1989, presumably having lived 24 years in France before being rediscovered. There is another resource, however, in a book, Alfa Romeo TZ, by Philippe Olczyk. I should mention here that Olczyk is far from everybody’s favorite person (the mention of his name can cause fights in some circles, and his data is considered extremely controversial), but he does appear to have made a serious attempt at tracking down all of the individual chassis histories. He states that chassis 094 was completely destroyed in a garage fire in France (he even gives the address), then reappeared in 1988. He states that he has been told it was a replica that reappeared.

Maybe this is true, maybe not, but it certainly raises a flag about the car. It also gets us into one of the most difficult, arcane, and nuanced issues in the collector car business: what constitutes a “replica”? Race cars in particular have always been “weapons for a battle” and finding any that haven’t been bashed, crashed, gutted, blown up and/or thrown away in the past 40 to 100 years is a major challenge.

The number of old race cars that honestly have all their original bodywork and mechanical components is minuscule. A quick perusal of the Olczyk chassis histories suggests that at least 80% of the TZ-1s have suffered serious crash damage, been rebodied, lost engines, etc. in their lives. There are very few blushing virgins in this business.

IT HAS LEGITIMACY, MINE DIDN’T

So how do you approach the subject car? Even if Olczyk is correct in stating that the car was in a garage fire, was it really destroyed? It’s possible that the engine or part of the frame survived and the car was rebuilt from that. If nothing else, there may be a clear chain of ownership from the original owner, and though the car was “rebuilt from the tachometer needle” it has legitimate claim to the chassis number.

He may be wrong about a fire and the car may be the original 1965 car; I can’t tell. Worldwide Group told us they were aware of the issues and inspected the car and the provenance extensively before accepting it for auction (see sidebar). They are comfortable that the car is both original and correct. In any case, this specific car is listed in both the TZ Registry and Olczyk’s book, so it has a legitimacy the one I got stuck with (it had simply stolen a “lost” chassis number) could never have. At absolute worst, the car is generally known and accepted in the Alfa community for whatever it is.

It really comes down to whether the price reflects the reality of the car. This car sold for $380,000. The current market for a really good TZ is $450,000–$525,000, so it sold at a substantial discount. Obviously, at least some of the bidders knew the issues surrounding the car and they affected the result. If the successful bidder (or the auction company on his behalf) had done enough homework to know the provenance clouds were invalid, it’s entirely possible that the car was very well bought. If not, or if the issues are real, I’d say that the market made the adjustments and set the value for what may or may not be a tainted car.
 
#3 ·
Thanks, africk.

I was expecting a short, quick reference to a few owners or races with which this car had been associated. Instead, you provided an in-depth analysis of the the TZ cars as a whole, as well as the known history and controversy surrounding this particular vehicle.
Tainted or not, she's a beautiful vehicle that would look great parked in my garage. Of course, I'd have to sell the house in order to buy her!;)
 
#4 ·
94 & 03

Brad, at the risk of copyright infringement, that info is out of the sportscarmarket magazine. It's interesting to note the reference to chassis 03 of which one of, is also for sale.
 
#5 ·
Takes your pick on current TZ inventory:

Chassis No. AR750090
Coys

Chassis No. AR750057
VDV-Grant

Chassis No. AR750057 (hmmm popular number)
Cars from ANTEA cars

Chassis No. AR750003
http://www.autosportdesigns.com/Sales/Index.aspx

Chassis No. AR750094
DriverSource - Classic (Pre-1980)

Chassis No. AR750109 (TZ2)
1968 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2 for sale: Anamera

Chassis No. AR750004 (TZ2)
1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2 for sale: Anamera

Chassis No. AR7500replica (but the next owner may discover it has period race history)
Motor Classic & Competition Corp.

Cheers, George
 
#8 ·
Tz

George, as I gaze into my crystal balls I can see, not a SZ being loaded on to your trailer but a TZ being unloaded. Soon you'll be able to name your price.
 
#9 ·
I know of a local guy who built 3 TZ1 frame copies back in the 80s. It was suppose to be a 3 guy deal, one with money, one does the frame, one the bodies. The body guy never finished his end of the deal, but I know one chassis was fitted with mechanicals and was drivable. I know they had some real parts like windshields and chrome waiting for bodies.
 
#10 ·
I would gladly drive that TZ rep....I wonder if they will take a Beck 550 with a '56 1600 motor in trade.....doubt it! It seems like there would be a market for nice replicas, I wonder how many have been built? I would also like one of those Bugatti's they build in South America, I think they run close to 200k. I remember racing with Richard Ballantine, his car really broke my concentration!


Al
 
#11 ·
There's a replica TZ shell on e-Bay right now. They'll even supply a frame for a few extra bucks.

From the ease of replication of these cars, I'd stay away unless I was 100% sure about the provenance.
 
#13 ·
as rare as this car is, it has one of the worst designed rear of a car i have ever seen.
 
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#14 ·
It was for aerodynamic reasons, remember that this was pre wind tunnel .Designers realized that certain rear end treatments worked well for down force with minimal drag.
 
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#18 ·
I too have a 03 replica. I call it a replica as it has no documentation to support unbroken history. Unbroken history is the only way one of these cars should be bought for investment. For fun...that is a another story! Pay 20% and get the looks and drive of the original. There are no experts on these cars (In my humble opinion), buy an investment ONLY if full verifiable documentation is provided.
 
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