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Occasionally FRIGHTENING as well, unless you are familiar with the system and set-up.
Most terrifying are the Webers converted to propane injection on RACE CARS. I restored a pair of GTA 45DCOE14's thus converted. "Lets race a GTA running PROPANE!" Uh... Ok.
 

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I can still remember the last item in the very thick Weber factory catalog showing the details of an LPG device. There was no other information as to its use or installation methods. Looking at this picture, it strikes me as being what I looked at 40-odd years ago.

One less mystery remaining.

Now, to find the secret instruction manual for females...
 

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I had bought a pair of carbs from Italy that had adjustable plates over the intakes to regulate the air to LPG ratio. I had also seen some photos of a propane tank in the trunk of a Super that was lodged up on the small shelf. Cheaper than petrol, and cleaner burning on the engine. Just not as much get and go to the gallon as petrol.
 

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Perhaps a turbo encabulator. Does it have a base plate of pre-famulated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing?
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LPG conversion was quite a popular option in parts of Europe. In pre-catalyst days, it was seen as a cleaner burning fuel, so incentives were given and fuel tax levels cut. Most countries are phasing out these subsidies now though. LPG cars still need a petrol tank, as the engine still starts on petrol. The LPG tank is commonly fitted in the spare wheel well. LPG cars are routinely banned from underground car parks, due to the explosion risk....
 

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Hi all,

First of all, please understand that I’m not a LPG expert , that I’m certainly not lobbying for any gas company and be sure my Giuietta TI still runs on petrol and not on LPG.
I only add here what I know about LPG related to Weber in the sixties.
This being said, when I was much younger, I had for a while a Mercedes 220 S type /8 that was equipped with a gas tank. It worked perfectly, the car reacted the same way on gas or on gasoline and it was every time a relief for my wallet to fill the tanks with gas.


Malcolm1 is perfectly correct mentioning that driving on LPG was rather popular in West European countries although most of the cars always had gasoline or diesel.
This certain popularity could be explained simply by comparing the fuel prices. Look at last weeks prices:
1 gallon of gasoline in Europe ( Germany) : 5,84 USD
1 gallon of LPG ( Germany ) : 2,27 USD
For comparison the price for 1 gallon of gasoline in the US: 2,95 USD
(Probably the reason for more big engines in the US ?)
In my opinion it is normal that out of Europe one would find it a little strange to put a LPG tank in a car but the main reason is of course that in the bottom of Europe there is not much oil to be found, making Europe more dependent from external markets, resulting in a bigger request for alternative fuels in Europe than f.i. in the US.

About Weber,
I made the same conclusion as Don and others about the poor documentation from Weber on LPG untill about 20 years ago.
When looking for parts for my Weber carbs I found a bunch of Weber documentation on LPG, dated 1958 untill approx. 1965, coming from a company that did installations of LPG in cars in those years.
So Weber did provide more extensive information to specialised customers about LPG. This customers only were authorised to install LPG in a car.
Indeed, if the few pages in the main Weber catalog were all there was for starting a transformation of your car, it wouldn’t be wise to start with it at all.
From the contents of the documents I can conclude that for many cars Weber provided a work and installation diagram that had to be followed strictly, including technical drawings of the needed adapters for the different carbs.
There is also a complete installation course ( date 1961) for operators to be followed.
Seen the own plentiful fuel provision in the States, making the LPG system less interesting there at that time, it is comprehensive that there was not that much documentation sent by Weber to the US.

Hi Malcolm1,
I would think that the number 1 reason for installing LPG in a car was not a concern about the invironment but mainly a reaction on the high European fuel prices and maybe indeed it has not been a very huge success due to some existing fear for accidents but let’s be honnest, did you hear of many accidents during the last 50 years? I certainly dit not , as a matter of fact, I don’t remember any .
On the first picture another earlier part for entering the LPG in the 40DCOE’s.

Thierry
 

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Interesting information on the conversion details.

Not sure of that stats on the risks of explosions - which will be due to poor installation / maintenance, but it can happen

 

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remarkable I have to admit !

The best part is at the end of the video when both driver and passenger come out of the car. The extra steel fireplate between the compartments must have done its job.

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remarkable I have to admit !

The best part is at the end of the video when both driver and passenger come out of the car. The extra steel fireplate between the compartments must have done its job.

Cheers

Thierry
The simple mention of propane here in Buffalo, NY still brings fear to many locals 30+ years after a tragic propane explosion here. Back in the '80's a few guys were working in a four story brick building with a ramp from grade to the top floor. Dude had a five hundred pound propane cylinder on a forklift. He got to the top floor and the cylinder slipped off the forks and broke the valve. Propane began to leak out and being heavier than air started falling to the ground floor where the gas came in contact with a small fire the guys had going to keep warm. The propane had filled the entire building and shortly prior the fire department had arrived. Before the firemen could get into the building she blew. The force of the explosion picked up a hook and ladder truck and flung it across the street like a toy. If I recall several men were killed in the accident. Sad sad story
 

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Ho guys,

I’m terribly sorry If I have hurt anyone’s feelings with my post or reply in this thread, this was never my intention. My english, not being my mother tongue, is not perfect I know. This shortcoming lead to a regretable misunderstanding I see now . My sincere apologies to anyone that felt offended by my words. I surely will try to express myself in a better way.

Thierry
 

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No need to apologise for anything. Certainly no feelings hurt, here.

I found the details that you posted very interesting. I hadn't seen such an LPG installation on a Weber equipped car. My only experience of LPG is from a colleague's Jaguar XJ6. Using LPG made his long commute to work economically viable - similar to running a small diesel car.

Interestingly, I recently had a bi-fuel hire car in Italy, but that was petrol / natural gas. I got a bit of a shock as I drove it away from the airport, as the fuel gauge was reading empty, but quickly realised that was the CNG tank. The petrol tank was full.
 
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