[brad fischer]

I have been approached by someone local offering to buy my father's 1969 1750 GTV USA version, (105.51). Thinking back the 1st time we met this gentleman was when he was considering buying this GTV 27 years ago when my Dad bought it in 1987.
Not really sure what it is worth, so I am looking for opinions.
Solid low mileage GT that is basically stock except for the conversion to Webers with a euro manifold. Uncracked dash, good seats, clean unmolested interior, excellent chrome and stainless parts. Car was painted by PO 30 years ago and the paint is cracking and needs to be redone. Original color was Cava Beige. If you want more details just ask.

 

[r-mm]

A series 1 1750 is always high on everyone's list. I can only tell you how I would approach it...

I'd want to give it the paint job it deserves. Since the paint is not original and cracking, I'd have to consider this a glass-out, engine-out kind of project. And when you're doing all that you're bound to find other things to address. Although this is evidently a runner, once someone sinks big bucks into paint and pulls the motor, they're not going to leave 30 year old bushings, fuel lines etc untouched.

You didn't mention rust, which is always the number one concern. Presuming minor rust (BIG presumption), I suppose I would pay in the 7.5-10k range for the car. This would let me budget 15-20k for paint and some level of engine/suspension refreshening to end up with a ~$25-30k car to my specifications. You didn't mention what if any motor, suspension, braking, etc work the car has had.

 

[vecchioalfa]

Looks to be to be around the 8000 - 9000GBP / £8000 - £9000 area provided there are no major corrosion issues or previous bad repairs

 

[brad fischer]

r-mm, Thanks for your reply.
You may have lost a decade or more somewhere: the 30 year old fuel lines and bushings could be 45 years old. To answer your questions. Rust? In my 30+ years involved with GTs I have not seen many in better original rust free shape. There were no patches in the floor, trunk is perfect, engine bay perfect, but unknown under the charcoal paint since the re spray 20+ years ago.
Engine rebuild 15 years ago likely 10,000 miles since then. Car has 110,000 miles on it. Suspension is original type springs and shocks, we took the thick aluminum shims out of the front pans and replaced a few tie rod ends as needed. New brake MC 2 years ago thanks to Papajam and 3 new flex lines. Caliper pistons all free, pads as needed rotors smooth. New water pump 5 years ago. Other work performed as needed to make sure everything works.
The photos in my last post are a quite a few years old. The last 2 in this post are from last summer. Actually I think all 10 photos I posted are in chronological order.
Hope that answers some questions

 

[brad fischer]

vecchio, 8000-9000GBP = $14000-$15750 Canadian = $13200-$14850 USA

All new exhaust and water pump a few years ago

 

[ShadeTree]

There have been a few nice ones that have sold recently in the $20-30k range. You can always start high. But you can't go up if you start too low.

Example

YOU need to get the value out of it, NOT a potential flipper.

 

[r-mm]

If its as rust free as you describe it becomes a whole lot sweeter. Still, theres no way around a big old price tag for a glass and engine out rebuild and to me (maybe not to everyone) that is what this car screams for. When people refer to the upper end of the price range on these that often involves all picture perfect brightwork, powdercoated suspension bits etc, whoch obviously comes at a cost and implies a complete and total rebuild. I think I stand by my original numbers, if it were my money. For sure someone like gullwing motors would snap it up and advertise it between 10 to 15. Provided you are totally transparent and represent the car well, sure why not start there. In all seriousness i would really consider wirebrushing the paint back in a few locations to expose clean metal to show its as good as you say. That paint job looks sacrificial to me... And the value of the car lies in its structural integrity.

 

[r-mm]

Oh and my car was also beige cava originally!

 

[Stooie]

Brad:

Just as a talking point, the Hagerty price guide lists the value for a '60 GTV in "driver" condition as ~$19,000.

Price Guide Report

Even with less than perfect paint it sounds like a terrific car that a knowledgeable Alfisiti would covet.

Good luck with it!
Bob Stewart
Salem, Oregon

73 GTV

 

[Alfajay]

theres no way around a big old price tag for a glass and engine out rebuild....I would pay in the 7.5-10k range for the car. This would let me budget 15-20k for paint and some level of engine/suspension refreshening to end up with a ~$25-30k

Yes, but that's not how old cars are priced. Sure, to get all of your money out of this car, you would need to acquire it for < $10K, put another $15 - 20K into paint and mechanicals, and sell it in the high 20's. But it is very difficult to get all of your money out of a 105 Alfa project.

the Hagerty price guide lists the value for a '60 GTV in "driver" condition as ~$19,000.

And the current "Sports Car Market" price guide gives a range of $19 - 30K for 1970 - 1974 GT's and GTV's. This car might be in the lower end of that range because of its paint, but get some "extra credit" for being a 1750. I'd say that SCM and Hagerty agree here.

 

[r-mm]

Agree that it is not how driver old cars are priced, but I do think it is how project old cars are priced and I'm approaching this as a project. I started by saying that I was going to offer my thinking on how I would price it, and I think I share opinions, economics, approaches with a bunch of people here who would feel the paint has to go, and there are a bunch of things that any sane person would do in conjunction with a proper paint job that stop short of a concourse nut and bolt job, but are well in excess of just masking and shooting color.

Yes, but that's not how old cars are priced. Sure, to get all of your money out of this car, you would need to acquire it for < $10K, put another $15 - 20K into paint and mechanicals, and sell it in the high 20's. But it is very difficult to get all of your money out of a 105 Alfa project.



And the current "Sports Car Market" price guide lists a range of $19 - 30K for 1970 - 1974 GT's and GTV's. This car might move toward the lower end of that range because of its paint, but get some "extra credit" for being a 1750. I'd say that SCM and Hagerty agree here.

 

[brad fischer]

Thanks for all your replies. The local offer I got was a little on the low side compared to what I thought and the suggestions received. Sounds like my Dad wants to drive it again this summer (he is 89 years old.)

Happy New Year to all on the ABB.

 

[james2000]

Sounds like my Dad wants to drive it again this summer (he is 89 years old.)

NOW THAT'S PRICELESS!

 

[velocealfa]

Is start in the high 20's and work from there be patient.

 

[180OUT]

Your dad is a true Alfisti, Brad. Tell him he gets two ears and a tail for having such a nice car . . . and still enjoying it at age 89!

 

[jjeffries]

Brad, my unscientific two cents' worth: at least $18K, all day long. Would be a smart buy for a quality-oriented collector at that price, someone who understands what proper restoration costs. If your Dad can get another year or two's worth of pleasure out of it, fantastic, then maybe that number goes up by 25%. Smart guys buy the best available to start their projects and would see all the value in this car. Best regards, John.

 

[brad fischer]

I will revive this thread, as my Dad just called me tonite and said he won't be driving his 1969 Alfa GTV any more. So he has offered it to me again, I have turned him down more than a few times and encouraged him to keep driving it occasionally in the summer, he just turned 90 a few weeks ago so I guess he did pretty good. I will be driving the car to my house this week and offering it up for sale if all goes as planned.

 

[brad fischer]

Drove my dads 69 GTV from Toronto to Whitby on Saturday with 3 car loads more Alfa parts. I own 2 GTVs again.

 

[brad fischer]

Dear Mister Fischer,

with reference to your request we are informing you as follows.

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1530747 originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo 1750 GT Veloce USA (105.51), manufactured on the 25th October 1969 and sold on the 20th November 1969 to Alfa Romeo Rexdale from Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
The body colour is "cava" beige (AR 821), with black skai interiors.

Yours, Sincerely,
Marco Fazio
Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo
Archivio Storico

Antonio Magro

 

[impaw]

Keep it!