The 164 is certainly refined and fun to drive. I enjoyed our two. It's a shame you guys don't get the choice of the later FWD Alfas because they are even better. My GT is awesome and the 159 is a superb cruiser and handles nicely too.I've already put over 80,000 miles on them over the past three years and I'll say that I've never grown tired of them, they are still an absolute joy to drive each and every time and have turned my rather long daily commute into something bearable, even enjoyable. The 164 is definitely the best and most refined Alfa I've ever owned.