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Want manual Giulia....

I recently test drove the various Giulia models and have to confirm that the new Alfa is awesome, both in performance and style. Congratulations FCA on a job well done. My only reservation (major frustration) is that the Giulia doesn't come in a manual......unfortunately an 8 speed paddle shift is just a modified automatic and selecting through the 8 gears is not engaging in the slightest in normal street driving and I can just imagine how great this Giulia could be in a manual for the 'drivers' out there.

I wanted to start this thread to try and gain some feedback from the AlfaBB forum on how many buyers would rather purchase a manual Giulia over the current standard auto.

I'm holding off placing my order on a beautiful Rosso Giulia Veloce in the hope that Alfa see the light and introduce a manual version.


Just reply to this thread with with a '?' so that FCA can gauge the support for MANUAL version of the standard models.



PS. Note that I fully appreciate Alfisti who love their auto's but there's no need for your input on this thread. Grazie
 

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AR dropped the manual transmission at the last minute. They actually got it registered for import into the USA, but alas, changed their minds. Speculation has two ideas on this:

1) It doesn't perform well.
2) The clutch pedal failed during crash test cutting off feet.

I certainly don't want to drive a car with a unfavorable transmission. And I do like my feet right where they are,attached to my legs.


Did you drive a Ti Q2? It has a limited slip and in Dynamic Manual mode the torque converter tightens up nicely.
 

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Ciao RacerZ,

Note that I've been driving a manual AR159 for the last ten years which would have to be one of the worst manual gearbox's I've driven, but I still prefer it to over an auto and have had to just adapted to its anomalies, as we all do living with Alfa's.

I agree that on a race track a manual gearbox doesn't perform as well as a paddle shift auto, but we're talking about a road driving Alfa and 0.5 of a second really doesn't mean anything. Allowing the driver to co-ordinate the changing of the gears with the engagement of the clutch is part of driving satisfaction...... plus I like to do my own heel-toeing!

As for the safety aspect, the speculation is absurd.

Yes, I drove an awesome Ti Q2 in full dynamic mode and could only imagine what it would be like as a manual.

Here's hoping.....

Saluti
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If a manual Giulia (or, as it were, the rumored Giulia Sprint that's coming) were offered I'd trade in my 1 year old GTI for it. Granted, in europe the 4 cylinder gas engines are automatic only, so it'd have to be a diesel or the Quadrifoglio.

The GTI gearbox is great, and really makes driving around - even in NYC - fun. My GTV-6, like all transaxle car, has an appalling gearbox in comparison (save for the clutch, which has decent feel). I still love it, and I can't imagine the transmission in the manual version of the Giulia QV is as bad as my GTV6.
 

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1-5 gears of Giulia ZF 8 speed auto are very short. The gear ratio should satisfy any active driver. 5 gears that work only in 0-150 km/h range. So, stop crying, just try to understand that Giulia was built by former racing Maserati engineers, who know what active driver needs.
Just try to compare BMW 3 series and Giulia gear ratios, you'll understand the different philosophy of design. One car was built for mediocre drivers, another one for Alfisti

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1-5 gears of Giulia ZF 8 speed auto are very short. The gear ratio should satisfy any active driver. 5 gears that work only in 0-150 km/h range. So, stop crying, just try to understand that Giulia was built by former racing Maserati engineers, who know what active driver needs.
Just try to compare BMW 3 series and Giulia gear ratios, you'll understand the different philosophy of design. One car was built for mediocre drivers, another one for Alfisti
Understood, but it's not a knock on the car. I'm sure it's excellent with the automatic. It's just that there's still some of us who simply enjoy the experience of a manual transmission and want to buy cars that offer us that.
 

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EU manual Giulias are low powered diesel versions only (except QV). No chance at all to get 2.0 Turbo with gear stick

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Next time I go to Italy (maybe later this year), I may try to rent a diesel Giulia with manual just to see how it is.
 

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Ciao Max, I'm sure you'll be the first one to buy a 'driverless' Alfa when it comes out in the future. Bravo
 

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... I've been driving a manual AR159 for the last ten years which would have to be one of the worst manual gearbox's I've driven ...
Interesting. Who made that gearbox, GM? I've got a 156v6 6 speed manual and the gearbox is just beautiful! I go up and down the gearbox for no reason other than mere fun :) ... I also blip unnecessarily on down changes :D
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Ciao Pete, I had two 156's and agree that both engine and gearbox were great.

159 gearbox made by Aisin in Japan!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AWTF-80_SC
Automatic by Aisin. Manual, M40, were taken from Opel Vectra. Engines of 159 were GM units with Alfa Romeo-FIAT heads.

156 had cast iron FIAT engine block with Alfa head. Manual gearboxes were FIAT and Q-system supplied by Aisin.
 

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I would only ever consider a new Giulia if it had a manual 6 speed gearbox. I've never owned an automatic except for my pickup truck, and I don't get why anyone would bother with paddles on an automatic.
 

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I test drove the new Giulia, and as far as the transmission was concerned, it was no different than our rental Chevy, except for having the flappy paddles, which I decided could be considered unneeded. In other words, meh.
 

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I do not know about plans of making Alfa Romeo with manual in a future. MiTo will die soon as a mistake. C-SUV will not have manual gearbox with good engines. E-SUV and Stelvio will never get gear stick. Next Giulietta? There is no chance to see this car in North America. New Specialty (6C)? NO, never get a manual. Giulia Coupe will have the same mechanical part as Giulia. 4C second series? No chance at all.

So let's consider the brand has already died for "pure" Alfisti?
 

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Automatic by Aisin. Manual, M40, were taken from Opel Vectra. Engines of 159 were GM units with Alfa Romeo-FIAT heads.

156 had cast iron FIAT engine block with Alfa head. Manual gearboxes were FIAT and Q-system supplied by Aisin.
No post 1960 159 for me! ;)
Pete
 
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