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Even bigger sigh . . . As I said, you either get it or you don't. You are right about one thing, however. I'm outta here.
 
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Bye Felicia, have fun insulting people on other threads . :tt2:
 
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Cavilry,I,m absolutely compelled to chime in again. Your behavior towards Darron has been just stunning in that he is still in business and thriving. I am once again blown away at God,s mercy. You have been the customer that everyone in any P.R. job wants to have. You have taken the High Road and ended up with an awesome car we would all love to have.

The comments in post #157 also have me floored. How anyone can have such arrogance! To justify such gross ineptitude, and apathy for a customer as Darron has shown should be incomprehensible, and was 'till a minute ago.

I guess we,re all learning. How to work on old cars no longer in production. How to work with old people. How to deal with bad situations.

I just want to say thank you for sharing your bad experience to help me and others avoid the same. And I want to encourage you to keep taking the high road in dealing with challenging people.
 

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I hate to dredge up an old forum post, but just for the sake of full transparency to anyone who might hazard across it and wish to know more.

Unfortunately, the car I waited so long for will be shortly coming up for sale...I finished fixing all of the things Daron missed and had a really hard look at my "toy." Now that my daughter is here, free time is in short supply. For the monthly 15 minute drive and the annual car show, I just can't justify keeping the Alfa in my garage. It deserves more than that and my family deserves some breathing room from the financial struggle of trying to live on one income in California.

Anywho, the main point of this post was that I totaled up all of the invoices from Daron and co. at Vintage Customs. Two main takeaways:

The $15,000 quote which I thought was $25,000? Actually, it was $47,135.42. A nice 318% of budget. :) That doesn't include the parts I ordered along the way and sent in for them. (It does, however, include the $1,300 for the driveshaft I still don't have.)

The amount of rework I paid for along the way is insane. They "catalogued" my car 3 times, even though I was sending them lists (as requested) all along. They were clearly forgetting what needed to be done as they never created any lists. They also charged me twice for the center console work, twice for brake bleeding, etc.

Water under the bridge and I'm too tired and depressed to be angry, but I did feel it was relevant info for anyone considering sending their car up there.

Hope all is well and people are getting into the driving season!
 

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WOW, talk about taking it up the Arse! I thought my friend who never got his car back and I who had to get it repainted got F’ed. Sorry to hear. Have faith, the Alfa community isn’t going anywhere, and when the time frees up and the funds aren’t so tight you know where t find us. Good luck.
 

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I thought that fraud was against the law.....
 

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Restoration is very expensive and most of the cost is labor. I have restored cars in the past and the time required could be as high as 1,000 hours. I always get information about restoration cost such as body work, paint, chrome plating, interior replacement, engine machine costs and other expenses before restoring any car. The price including labor is high and restoring any car is an expensive experience.
 

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Restoration is very expensive and most of the cost is labor. I have restored cars in the past and the time required could be as high as 1,000 hours. I always get information about restoration cost such as body work, paint, chrome plating, interior replacement, engine machine costs and other expenses before restoring any car. The price including labor is high and restoring any car is an expensive experience.
Fair enough, but this wasn't a restoration. All body work was already done, as was the motor and transmission rebuild. Additionally, they should also be aware that costs can balloon and not quote me $15,000 for the work after many phone calls and emails, only to then charge me $47,000+.
 
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I agree with you that you were overcharged and should have met with them during the work to see what was happening.
My friend, I sincerely don’t intend to be rude but if you don’t want to read the thread then please don’t make uninformed comments.

I was on a weekly call with Daron (when they would respond) and made two trips up there to check in.
 

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Noooooo, don't do it!!!

I bought my GTV in 1985 and my daughter was born in 1988. It was the first manual transmission car she drove, and she keeps asking me if she can have it. (She doesn't like the answer: "When I can't drive it anymore").

We have come to a compromise in that I bought a 66 Super that she can have after I'm done restoring it. (One is never "really" done restoring an Alfa, right).

At any rate, sorry to hear about your horrible experience. I don't have any car experiences like that, but I've had many house contractor experiences like that. You are a better man than I, as I doubt I'm going to be getting any invitations to dinner from those contractors........


I hate to dredge up an old forum post, but just for the sake of full transparency to anyone who might hazard across it and wish to know more.

Unfortunately, the car I waited so long for will be shortly coming up for sale...I finished fixing all of the things Daron missed and had a really hard look at my "toy." Now that my daughter is here, free time is in short supply. For the monthly 15 minute drive and the annual car show, I just can't justify keeping the Alfa in my garage. It deserves more than that and my family deserves some breathing room from the financial struggle of trying to live on one income in California.

Anywho, the main point of this post was that I totaled up all of the invoices from Daron and co. at Vintage Customs. Two main takeaways:

The $15,000 quote which I thought was $25,000? Actually, it was $47,135.42. A nice 318% of budget. :) That doesn't include the parts I ordered along the way and sent in for them. (It does, however, include the $1,300 for the driveshaft I still don't have.)

The amount of rework I paid for along the way is insane. They "catalogued" my car 3 times, even though I was sending them lists (as requested) all along. They were clearly forgetting what needed to be done as they never created any lists. They also charged me twice for the center console work, twice for brake bleeding, etc.

Water under the bridge and I'm too tired and depressed to be angry, but I did feel it was relevant info for anyone considering sending their car up there.

Hope all is well and people are getting into the driving season!
 

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I thought this might be an interesting read but the more I got into the novel the more I didn't want to finish it. The car is pretty much a race car as I see it and we all know what race cars are worth..astronomically next to nothing....they are black holes that suck money with no expectations of it ever coming back....unless the car was owned by a famous driver or Steve McQueen. I hope the owner has a happy ending to this saga. I'll unsubscribe now and let this run it's course as I have nothing more to sooth the pain this is going to be to sell.
 

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Bad story.

One little note, the green fuel line to the carbs, get rid of it. My Sprint GT had clear green line like that on it, and with time and heat, it got very hard and cracked above the fuel pump, allowing fuel to spray everywhere. Couldn't believe the entire car didn't go up in flames.
 

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I mention this because my long ago mentor, Tony, would never give the kind of typical body-shop estimate that his customers (and apparently California bureaucrats) expected. Instead he would tell them how much it would cost to strip a vintage car to bare metal and, once the paint was off, only then would he talk about how much it was going to cost to repair the body and paint the car. He always contended, and I've always believed, that with old cars that have been around for awhile, you really can't know what's beneath the paint and---not knowing that--- accurate estimates are not possible or have to be substantially inflated. Therefore, his first step was to strip the car to bare metal. That he could give an estimate on.

Tony was quite a guy. He was decidedly old-school Italian. Preferring to do as much as possible by hand, there were very few power tools in the old pole-barn behind his house that he used as a shop. His shop may have been primitive, but he turned out 100 point national concourse-winning body restorations. Tony's been gone now for a number of years. He started doing bodywork when cars were still painted with brushes.
Tony Pileggi? He was an artist in metal. He replaced part of my nose with a factory fresh clip. He apologized using lead on a couple of the joints. Also ran brass down my driver's A pillar to fill in for some corrosion on a 2 year old car. Never was there any filler used on any car in his shops.

His RR restorations were legendary in that no repainted, let alone repaired, RR was allowed in the RR Concours. His were because the work was undetectable. 100 pts. and they won. Automatically docked 5 points and they would win the next one also. Just a metal master like no one sees anymore.

Tony was a godsend for me.
 

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As I stated in a previous post I spent well over $60000 with Vintage Customs to perform body work and paint only. The car was admittedly worse than what we expected once stripped so I can understand that the original $20000 estimate was blown. After getting the car back from Daron I had to have the car stripped and redone by another shop. Here are a couple of picture of what was going on. The car sat for over three months before these pictures were taken so the paint had time to cure and fail. It cost me another $15000 to have it done right. If you're like me it's hard to forget looking at a car after so much trouble and feel good about your investment or experience. The car was done right when I sold it.
That is a terrible paint job. Worse than amateur.
 
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