Fair enough, but this wasn't a restoration. All body work was already done, as was the motor and transmission rebuild. Additionally, they should also be aware that costs can balloon and not quote me $15,000 for the work after many phone calls and emails, only to then charge me $47,000+.Restoration is very expensive and most of the cost is labor. I have restored cars in the past and the time required could be as high as 1,000 hours. I always get information about restoration cost such as body work, paint, chrome plating, interior replacement, engine machine costs and other expenses before restoring any car. The price including labor is high and restoring any car is an expensive experience.
My friend, I sincerely don’t intend to be rude but if you don’t want to read the thread then please don’t make uninformed comments.I agree with you that you were overcharged and should have met with them during the work to see what was happening.
https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/gt-1963-1977/680952-my-1972-gtv-coming-up-sale-whats-worth.htmlAs Of Today: What Shape Is The Car In (current photos would help) And What Are You Asking For It?
I hate to dredge up an old forum post, but just for the sake of full transparency to anyone who might hazard across it and wish to know more.
Unfortunately, the car I waited so long for will be shortly coming up for sale...I finished fixing all of the things Daron missed and had a really hard look at my "toy." Now that my daughter is here, free time is in short supply. For the monthly 15 minute drive and the annual car show, I just can't justify keeping the Alfa in my garage. It deserves more than that and my family deserves some breathing room from the financial struggle of trying to live on one income in California.
Anywho, the main point of this post was that I totaled up all of the invoices from Daron and co. at Vintage Customs. Two main takeaways:
The $15,000 quote which I thought was $25,000? Actually, it was $47,135.42. A nice 318% of budget. That doesn't include the parts I ordered along the way and sent in for them. (It does, however, include the $1,300 for the driveshaft I still don't have.)
The amount of rework I paid for along the way is insane. They "catalogued" my car 3 times, even though I was sending them lists (as requested) all along. They were clearly forgetting what needed to be done as they never created any lists. They also charged me twice for the center console work, twice for brake bleeding, etc.
Water under the bridge and I'm too tired and depressed to be angry, but I did feel it was relevant info for anyone considering sending their car up there.
Hope all is well and people are getting into the driving season!
Tony Pileggi? He was an artist in metal. He replaced part of my nose with a factory fresh clip. He apologized using lead on a couple of the joints. Also ran brass down my driver's A pillar to fill in for some corrosion on a 2 year old car. Never was there any filler used on any car in his shops.I mention this because my long ago mentor, Tony, would never give the kind of typical body-shop estimate that his customers (and apparently California bureaucrats) expected. Instead he would tell them how much it would cost to strip a vintage car to bare metal and, once the paint was off, only then would he talk about how much it was going to cost to repair the body and paint the car. He always contended, and I've always believed, that with old cars that have been around for awhile, you really can't know what's beneath the paint and---not knowing that--- accurate estimates are not possible or have to be substantially inflated. Therefore, his first step was to strip the car to bare metal. That he could give an estimate on.
Tony was quite a guy. He was decidedly old-school Italian. Preferring to do as much as possible by hand, there were very few power tools in the old pole-barn behind his house that he used as a shop. His shop may have been primitive, but he turned out 100 point national concourse-winning body restorations. Tony's been gone now for a number of years. He started doing bodywork when cars were still painted with brushes.
That is a terrible paint job. Worse than amateur.As I stated in a previous post I spent well over $60000 with Vintage Customs to perform body work and paint only. The car was admittedly worse than what we expected once stripped so I can understand that the original $20000 estimate was blown. After getting the car back from Daron I had to have the car stripped and redone by another shop. Here are a couple of picture of what was going on. The car sat for over three months before these pictures were taken so the paint had time to cure and fail. It cost me another $15000 to have it done right. If you're like me it's hard to forget looking at a car after so much trouble and feel good about your investment or experience. The car was done right when I sold it.