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Car looks great and I like how the wife's top almost matches the car.

Now with regard to the current condition of the car remember the old saying: Don't sweat the small stuff and remember it's all small stuff.

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What a nightmare. Frankly, I think you're too nice of a guy. I would have lost my **** on Daron at the 2-year-past-the-original-estimated timeline.

It's reassuring that my gut-feeling was right about Vintage Customs though. I've spoken with Daron over the phone numerous times and, although he sounds like a knowledgable guy, he came off very shady despite his rather joyous tone. I considered sending my project to VC before but this is one of a number of horror stories I've heard about that poorly-managed self-proclaimed Alfa Romeo "specialist" shop.

Also, I love how generally everyone likes to think these cars are somehow anymore complex in construction than any other comparable European coupe of the era. The Scalino is my favorite automobile, but Alfisti seem to really put these cars on a pedestal in that they insist only an Alfa Romeo "specialist" could properly restore one of these mass-produced sports cars. Call me naive, but I'm not buying it.

OP, glad to see you got your dream car back. I hope you, your beautiful wife, and your on-the-way-daughter have years of wonderful memories in that beautiful GTV. Cheers!
 

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... Alfisti seem to really put these cars on a pedestal in that they insist only an Alfa Romeo "specialist" could properly restore one of these mass-produced sports cars. Call me naive, but I'm not buying it...
You are right, it doesn't require an Alfa specialist to restore an Alfa but why would you take your Alfa to someone who isn't? The first time we replaced the rockers in a Spider (a pretty common practice) it took weeks - now it takes hours. I sure wouldn't want to pay someone to sit and ponder how to approach the job, let alone trust them to accurately estimate the price.

There are plenty of Alfa specialists around the world to choose from precisely because it is a production sports car...
 

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Cavilry, you are one blessed guy. Beautiful wife, Beautiful car, child on the way, and not in prison for choking Darron unconscious. Your patience is an example of good behavior to us all. I hope and pray I'll never have to be tested as you were. Congrats on the excellent pass of the test.I hope you enjoy fiddling with your car as I do with mine. I pray Darron will make good on his promises. At this point I don't expect you'll be crushed if he doesn't though. His wife seems like a good avenue to results though. I'd keep her appraised of progress or its absence.God bless you.Serious.
 

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Vintage Customs: Customers Beware/Babys and Alfas

Wonderful news and a beautiful car. I have to stay congrats, not for the car being home but the amazing addition you will be having soon. The car seat will fit in the back, please post some pics of the seat with beautiful driver to be in it.

Happy days ahead!! GL with everything.
A word to the wise ... yes, it is true that the car seat will fit in the backseat, but your wife may soon tire of how difficult it is to deal with strollers, car seats, diaper bags, and the other paraphernalia that babies require with a GTV; and then there's cleaning up baby burps and drippy bottles off of the new upholstery.

I've been fortunate over my child-rearing years to have an assortment of Alfas to drive. I found the Berlina and the Alfetta sedan to be the easiest, most comfortable, and most pleasant.

The car seat will also fit in the back seat of a spider, but it does require making the proper shoulder harness and lap straps to hold the car seats in legally and properly.

The GTV-6 has it's own story and the problem a stroller caused, which could have turned out much worse than it did.

Congratulations on getting your car back; I love the color; and congratulations on your new addition!
 

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Cavilry, thank you for sharing.

Where was this thread 3 years ago??

Papajam, please don't close this thread. There are another 60 of us with similar issues who may add to the warning to our fellow Alfisti.

This isn't a one off experience. Mine's not even painted yet... and he said he was astounded and amazed at the condition of the car after it was blasted.

My patience is getting the better of me.
 

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If you read Classic Motorsports Magazine, this is a common complaint that people have when they choose a shop to have work done. It happened to me, also- a shop called Veloce Motorsports took me for an $18000 ride, and I didn't even have it painted. They did a lot of good work, but I was feeling let down after he dropped the car off. The new windshield gasket leaked when I washed the car, they had it detailed for me and the idiot burned the paint off the trunk and sides of the car in places, and he used a cheap head gasket that leaked compression into the coolant after 2 days. He did a lot of good solid work also, but really botched some other basic stuff.

Oh, and he had the car 8 months. Veloce Motorsports went out of business shortly after, and Darin from VC bought his inventory and tools. Small world.
 

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I think every business, no matter what it is, has some unhappy customers.

What is that saying? You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

People make mistakes or they miss something. It's human nature.

When things are done deliberately, that's a different story. If you take parts from one customer's car and put them on another, that is dishonest. When you keep telling customers you'll do things and don't, that too is dishonest.
 

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Osso, no offense but I think this has gone a bit beyond an "unhappy customer." There is no customer who would have been happy with the situation.

All, I know I said I would let this thread be but I do have an update that I feel must be mentioned. As can be seen a few posts back, when I finally received the car there was an unacceptable amount of issues. Most egregious was an inability to truly drive the car due to a rubbing driveshaft.

When I brought this to Daron's attention he relatively quickly remedied the situation by sending a car shipper to me, bringing the car back up to Washington, and fixing it. Shockingly, he was more or less on time! (4 weeks instead of promised 2 weeks) Unfortunately, not all issues were addressed but at the end of the day he fixed the big ones, kept to his word about not billing me, and shipped back and forth at his cost. It saddens me that it got to the point it did but ultimately Daron went through great expense to make it right. I can appreciate that.

Now, anyone have recommendations on how to deal with swirled clear coat, a stuck wing window, and a noisy brake booster? :)
 

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Now, anyone have recommendations on how to deal with swirled clear coat, a stuck wing window, and a noisy brake booster? :)
Probably best to start a new thread with these questions. But I'll a least ask some follow up questions:

When you say swirl, do yo mean there are scratches in the clearcoat? Depending on how deep, you might be able to have them polished out.

When you say the quarter window is stuck, do you mean that when you turn the knob it tries but resists opening? If so the weatherseal is probably stuck to the glass. I would try washing it with hot, soapy water and maybe get inbetween with a thin putty knife. If the knob gear feels like it is jammed, you'll need to remove the door card and remove the gear mechanism. Not really that hard.

You'll need to describe the noise...
 

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". . . Most egregious was an inability to truly drive the car due to a rubbing driveshaft. . ."

"Now, anyone have recommendations on how to deal with swirled clear coat, a stuck wing window, and a noisy brake booster? :)
So, you don't know how to fix these things yourself? I could say more but I won't. . .


It saddens me that it got to the point it did but ultimately Daron went through great expense to make it right. I can appreciate that.
I'm sure Daron can appreciate it too. No doubt it was worth the expense to get you out of his hair.
 

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Probably best to start a new thread with these questions. But I'll a least ask some follow up questions:

When you say swirl, do yo mean there are scratches in the clearcoat? Depending on how deep, you might be able to have them polished out.

When you say the quarter window is stuck, do you mean that when you turn the knob it tries but resists opening? If so the weatherseal is probably stuck to the glass. I would try washing it with hot, soapy water and maybe get inbetween with a thin putty knife. If the knob gear feels like it is jammed, you'll need to remove the door card and remove the gear mechanism. Not really that hard.

You'll need to describe the noise...
Yes, just some small scratches in the clear coat, I contacted a detailer and we'll see.

The quarter window will open, but only half way. Guess the door card is coming back off again.

I will start a different thread on the booster.
 

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So, you don't know how to fix these things yourself? I could say more but I won't. . .




I'm sure Daron can appreciate it too. No doubt it was worth the expense to get you out of his hair.

Wow...I don't even know what to say to your pompous, unnecessary, rude reply.

Daron put in a 3 inch drive shaft, which did not fit with the suspension on the car. Which he fully took responsibility for so no, I can't whittle down a carbon fiber driveshaft. For the rest, yes, I do know how to fix those things (or can figure it out). I just shouldn't have to since I paid him to rebuild my car.

Get out of Daron's hair? I paid him every cent he was owed and let him get 2.5 years overdue on delivery. I think I was a more than fair customer.

You really are a ray of sunshine, my friend.
 

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180out, I whole heartedly have to agree with Cavilry, uncalled for. I'm sure you would feel absolutely the same if you were f**cked like he and others who have responded being in that position, including myself. When you are honest and trustworthy you want to believe the person you are working with is the same and can be somewhat blind to what is really happening. I think I would rather be honest and trustworthy then constantly being a suspicious *****, what a terrible way to go through life. DONT YOU THINK.
 

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180OUT you must not have read cavilry's original complaints, maybe you didn't get your morning coffee or just got up on the wrong side of the bed.
Either way, hopefully this thread won't hear from you again, aside from a apology.
 

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Sigh. A point I've made at several points in this very long thread is that if you embark on lengthy and complex repair work like restoring an Alfa Romeo, you will be better served if you pay close attention to the work being done. The unvarnished truth is that nobody is going to care as much about your car as you do. This makes it imperative---at least in my opinion---for you to be prepared keep in constant (weekely, even daily at some points) communication with the shop as work progresses. I'm not going to waste time explaining why. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

A little over 10 years ago another Afabb member embarked on an extensive restoration of his Super. The key to his success is that he stayed in regular contact with the shop doing the work. Here's his link:

https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1962-1977/62056-my-72-super-going-under-knife.html
 

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Sigh. A point I've made at several points in this very long thread is that if you embark on lengthy and complex repair work like restoring an Alfa Romeo, you will be better served if you pay close attention to the work being done. The unvarnished truth is that nobody is going to care as much about your car as you do. This makes it imperative---at least in my opinion---for you to be prepared keep in constant (weekely, even daily at some points) communication with the shop as work progresses. I'm not going to waste time explaining why. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

A little over 10 years ago another Afabb member embarked on an extensive restoration of his Super. The key to his success is that he stayed in regular contact with the shop doing the work. Here's his link:

https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sedan-1962-1977/62056-my-72-super-going-under-knife.html
And I don't know how many times I have to make the point that this was NOT a restoration. It was carburetors, interior, brakes, and electrical quoted at 4 months and $15000 which ballooned to 3 years and over $25,000. Prior to Daron taking the project, the motor and transmission were done, the body was done, the glass was done, etc.

You're welcome to your opinion on how someone "should" manage the project of their car being worked on by someone else (though what are you paying a premium for, then?) but where do you get off insulting my mechanical skills (I completely rebuilt a 1968 VW bus in the time VC had my car, while having a full time job) and by insinuating Daron was happy to get me "out of his hair?" I was not in Daron's hair, which is why this took so long. In fact, I would have been MORE in his hair if I'd stayed on him daily as you seem to think I should have.

You certainly don't need to be involved in this thread, that's your choice. If you want to defend Daron, please do as it was not my intention to insult his character or work. The point of this thread, which obviously people were interested in seeing, was my experience. And if you look through many of the replies, it was not a unique experience. As I've said a few times, the Alfisti are welcome to (and some should) go to VC for work, I just felt it right that someone should relay the true experience of what to expect.

Just a very interesting reply my man...tone deaf at best...
 
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