[gprocket]

I was messing around the other day and found a site which had what looked like a pretty extensive listing of vin numbers for coupes. Usually I bookmark things like that but I didn't. This time I cut and pasted into a running log of Alfa info. I then converted to a matrix. I would like to find this site to give credit and to see if there was more info but I am drawing a blank. Anybody have any idea? Any corrections, clarifications, etc?

Here is the matrix: View attachment Alfa Vin Numbers.pdf

ps: For the life of me I can't think of what "CKD" means. How dense am I?

 

[alfavirusnz]

CKD stands for completely knocked down. Cars were exported in kits to assembly plants in for example South Africa. Generally this facility was provided to avoid sales tax and duty with the vehicles having to have a certain amount of local content. Things such as wiring looms, radiators, tyres, and upholstery were often the provided local content so there were differences between a full factory built car and a locally produced one.

Richard J

 

[gprocket]

Excellent Richard, thanks!

 

[1750GT]

It doesn't seem right for the 105.51 GTV numbers since the official parts manual shows that for the 1969 model year the chassis numbers should be between 1530001 to 1532000 and for 1971 they started from 1532001 and up. Now I'll bet that PAPAJAM will be able to dig up the official numbers for sure.

 

[Erik]

I think that this is the link http://www.alfaclubdc.com/ProductionList.pdf
It stops at 1972 like your matrix.
Erik

 

[sprint750]

Ckd

ps: For the life of me I can't think of what "CKD" means. How dense am I?

CKD means

Completely
Knocked
Down

This is a simple way to deal with import taxes which are very heavy on some markets (sometime 100% !!)
As the taxes apply to imported road ready vehicles, the manufacturer simply imports the spare parts (with lower taxes) and the vehicle is build locally using local workmanship.

The vehicles leave the factory complete with a S/N, but in separate boxes.
Depending on the custom rules, a vehicle without the gearbox+engine can be considered as a 'spare' . So the vehicle may be sent in a container and the powertrain in another box.

The difference with CKD and producing abroad is that there is no (or very few) local products or parts used for production. Only assembling of the complete kit ('out of the box') is needed.

Best regards

 

[gprocket]

Rossano: I agree. My '71 GTV does not match those vin numbers which was verified by Automobilismo Storico Alfa Romeo.

Erik: That is not the site but data does appear to be the same. But as Rossano points out the 105.51 numbers are wacky.

We will wait for papajam's input...

 

[Erik]

I know there are wacky, my Kamm Tail 1970 Euro Spider doesn't follow the number sequens of the 105.57 serie. A new number serie with prefix 182 (Roundtails Euros had 141) and starting with 0001, mine is 0179!.
Probably someting simelar happen to the GTV when they changed to the new front.
Erik

 

[papajam]

I random sampled a few of the chassis numbers in the above linked matrix to conclude that these chassis numbers are the same chassis numbers that are listed in Fusi. So I will assume that the matrix numbers (a nice matrix too, I might add) came from Fusi. Now, as good a work as Fusi is, it does contain known errors. The 105.51 chassis number listings are one of those errors.
There are two Alfa published documents that list different 105.51 chassis numbers from Fusi. One is the parts manual which lists the Series 1 (1969 model year) ending with chassis number 1532000. The second is an Operating Procedures manual dated 1982 listing the first 105.51 chassis as 1530003 (and a production start of 4/68).
Refering again to the 1750 parts book, it lists the first Euro Kammtail Spider with chassis number 1820001.

 

[gprocket]

Jim,

Do you have the correct chassis numbers for the 105.51 cars? Are there any other known errors on this list? I can easily modify the matrix. Ultimately I was thinking of creating a little lookup program where you could enter your chassis number and it would return the year, number and description.

OTAH, I hate to perpetuate mistakes and would rather dump it then cause more confusion.