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I'm in the process of registering my out of state car in California, and have been requested by the DMV to provide a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that the car complied with USA emission regulations as built.
Has anyone ever got a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that a specific vehicle (identified by SN) complied to USA emission regulations? Effectively it would be confirming that the serial number corresponds to a tipo (115.02 in my case) that was a USA market car. My car is a 1973 Spider 2000 SPICA version, originally sold in Canada. It definitely is a USA version, just need a letter from Alfa Romeo stating this.

I've tried the centro documentazione, but can only get the usual detail of when and where it was sold, what color etc.

Has anyone gone through this registering an out of state, pre '75 car (but post '68) car in California ?

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I'm in the process of registering my out of state car in California, and have been requested by the DMV to provide a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that the car complied with USA emission regulations as built.
Has anyone ever got a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that a specific vehicle (identified by SN) complied to USA emission regulations? Effectively it would be confirming that the serial number corresponds to a tipo (115.02 in my case) that was a USA market car. My car is a 1973 Spider 2000 SPICA version, originally sold in Canada. It definitely is a USA version, just need a letter from Alfa Romeo stating this.

I've tried the centro documentazione, but can only get the usual detail of when and where it was sold, what color etc.

Has anyone gone through this registering an out of state, pre '75 car (but post '68) car in California ?

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When you say out-of-state, assuming the vehicle was last titled in another state? If you have a vehicle title in your name from another state that is at least a year old, then you shouldn't need anything else. Sounds like you bought a vehicle out-of-state and are trying to register it in CA....but the title is in the name of the seller?

A letter from Alfa Romeo is one way to handle this. Another way is to have this form completed by the any of the listed authorized personnel:


If your car still has the emissions label on the inner passenger fender, then it will state the car conforms to US/California emissions. This would then be certified on the form above and you would use this to register your car at the DMV. If the car does not have the emissions label then you have three options:

-If you are absolutely sure it is US market compliant, then you could get a replacement label (some on this forum make replica labels)

-You could bring the car to get tested at a Smog Referee. The referee will test the car and you can ask the referee to print out a sticker and stick it on the car. You could then point to the referee sticker as compliance for the form above.

-It is possible with your owner's manual, that one of the authorized personnel will complete the form anyway without anything additional needed, so it's worth a check.

More info:

Hope that helps.
 

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When you say out-of-state, assuming the vehicle was last titled in another state? If you have a vehicle title in your name from another state that is at least a year old, then you shouldn't need anything else. Sounds like you bought a vehicle out-of-state and are trying to register it in CA....but the title is in the name of the seller?

A letter from Alfa Romeo is one way to handle this. Another way is to have this form completed by the any of the listed authorized personnel:


If your car still has the emissions label on the inner passenger fender, then it will state the car conforms to US/California emissions. This would then be certified on the form above and you would use this to register your car at the DMV. If the car does not have the emissions label then you have three options:

-If you are absolutely sure it is US market compliant, then you could get a replacement label (some on this forum make replica labels)

-You could bring the car to get tested at a Smog Referee. The referee will test the car and you can ask the referee to print out a sticker and stick it on the car. You could then point to the referee sticker as compliance for the form above.

-It is possible with your owner's manual, that one of the authorized personnel will complete the form anyway without anything additional needed, so it's worth a check.

More info:

Hope that helps.
His post indicates the car was originally sold in Canada, so it's a bit of a different scenario. I think the emissions labels were on the hood for the 73's, but don't quote me on that.
 

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Cars sold in Canada had the US emission specs and corresponding label starting with the 1972 model year (late 1750). The label was always on the inner fender. The labels under the hood are for lubrication as well as the spark plug notice. The door jamb serial number plate confirms build date and FMVSS compliance, even when sold in Canada. An additional, round "maple leaf" Canadian MVSS compliance sticker was added just above.

BTW new emission labels are available for pretty much all model years. 1974 had specific stickers for 49 state and CA emissions, but 1973 didn't.
 

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Cars sold in Canada had the US emission specs and corresponding label starting with the 1972 model year (late 1750). The label was always on the inner fender. The labels under the hood are for lubrication as well as the spark plug notice. The door jamb serial number plate confirms build date and FMVSS compliance, even when sold in Canada. An additional, round "maple leaf" Canadian MVSS compliance sticker was added just above.

BTW new emission labels are available for pretty much all model years. 1974 had specific stickers for 49 state and CA emissions, but 1973 didn't.
Thanks for the information and correction. I sold my Spider a couple years ago so I was going by memory on the stickers (bad idea). I also wasn't sure when things went from US emissions to 49 state/California, so 74 is the answer to that, and was unaware that Canadian cars had FMVSS compliance.
 

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Thanks all for the replies already. Yes the car is a Canada car, and actually there is no sale involved, the car has been in my ownership since it was in Canada (owned since the 1990s!). It does have the federal emission tag on it (in the drivers door jam if I remember) I'll try providing that to the DMV. I can shed some light on the California requirements for out of country registration, as I have first hand experience. The common belief is that pre-75 cars are "smog exempt" - which is true, but not the full story. cars between 68-74 do still need to be built to USA emission standards to be registered. Fortunately in this case a 1973 Canadian car is indeed a USA market car (ie: SPICA injection), but you are required to prove it via this elusive manufacturer's document
I did register as well my 1969 gtv in California, and it is also a Canadian car. However in 1969, a Canadian car was a euro spec (Weber carbs), not a USA spec. I asked for, and received, a derogation from CARB, as the car is only a casual use vehicle. I have also had this gtv registered in France, and Alfa Romeo France was able to provide this homologation document showing that the SN of my gtv corresponds to a 104.44 which was homologated for sale in France.
The hard part now is finding equivalent document that shows my spider SN corresponds to a 115.02 which is a USA market car.
I'll try sending a pic of the federal compliance tag, and also the centro documentazione mentions that the SN is a 115.02 USA vehicle, so hopefully that might be enough evidence that it really is a USA market car (and for what it is worth, the engine still has SPICA with a fresh Wes Ingram rebuild to the stock spec)

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Cars sold in Canada had the US emission specs and corresponding label starting with the 1972 model year (late 1750). The label was always on the inner fender. The labels under the hood are for lubrication as well as the spark plug notice. The door jamb serial number plate confirms build date and FMVSS compliance, even when sold in Canada. An additional, round "maple leaf" Canadian MVSS compliance sticker was added just above.

BTW new emission labels are available for pretty much all model years. 1974 had specific stickers for 49 state and CA emissions, but 1973 didn't.

It depended on the year and model as well. The Spider was 50-state for 1974, only 49-state for for 1975 and 1976 (not for sale in California at the time), then both available 49-state and 50-state for 1977.


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Thanks all for the replies already. Yes the car is a Canada car, and actually there is no sale involved, the car has been in my ownership since it was in Canada (owned since the 1990s!). It does have the federal emission tag on it (in the drivers door jam if I remember) I'll try providing that to the DMV. I can shed some light on the California requirements for out of country registration, as I have first hand experience. The common belief is that pre-75 cars are "smog exempt" - which is true, but not the full story. cars between 68-74 do still need to be built to USA emission standards to be registered. Fortunately in this case a 1973 Canadian car is indeed a USA market car (ie: SPICA injection), but you are required to prove it via this elusive manufacturer's document
I did register as well my 1969 gtv in California, and it is also a Canadian car. However in 1969, a Canadian car was a euro spec (Weber carbs), not a USA spec. I asked for, and received, a derogation from CARB, as the car is only a casual use vehicle. I have also had this gtv registered in France, and Alfa Romeo France was able to provide this homologation document showing that the SN of my gtv corresponds to a 104.44 which was homologated for sale in France.
The hard part now is finding equivalent document that shows my spider SN corresponds to a 115.02 which is a USA market car.
I'll try sending a pic of the federal compliance tag, and also the centro documentazione mentions that the SN is a 115.02 USA vehicle, so hopefully that might be enough evidence that it really is a USA market car (and for what it is worth, the engine still has SPICA with a fresh Wes Ingram rebuild to the stock spec)

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The Federal Compliance Tag on the door jamb (FMVSS) is nice but the emissions label on the passenger inner fender is what's needed. The form REG 31 in the link above will help you here (as long as the emission label is still there). Emissions info will get certified on the document and you can use that to register the vehicle. It's routine, especially for Canadian vehicle that were built to also meet US emissions at the time. Importing a Canadian market vehicle is not like importing a vehicle from say Uzbekistan.

More info here on imported vehicle: Imported Vehicle Registration - California DMV

Note from the link that REG 31 is required but other items "may" be needed. A properly completed REG 31 should suffice.

Keep in mind that not all DMV offices are familiar with the process, so you may need to try another one or get a manager involved.

Yes, vehicles from 1968 - 1975 are not emissions exempt for California. They are exempt from bi-annual testing.
 

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I'm in the process of registering my out of state car in California, and have been requested by the DMV to provide a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that the car complied with USA emission regulations as built.
Has anyone ever got a letter from Alfa Romeo confirming that a specific vehicle (identified by SN) complied to USA emission regulations? Effectively it would be confirming that the serial number corresponds to a tipo (115.02 in my case) that was a USA market car. My car is a 1973 Spider 2000 SPICA version, originally sold in Canada. It definitely is a USA version, just need a letter from Alfa Romeo stating this.

I've tried the centro documentazione, but can only get the usual detail of when and where it was sold, what color etc.

Has anyone gone through this registering an out of state, pre '75 car (but post '68) car in California ?

Cheers
Go to Nevada, get a PO Box, use that address as Your personal address, get that's state driver's license, and then register it there, you can legally drive it anywhere.
 

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Heh. Dude, posting in a public forum that you are committing fraud is perhaps not the smartest move in the world. It's not a loophole: what you are describing (resident of one state, driver's license & car registrations in another) is literally illegal.

I mean, do what you want, but you really should not be suggesting that others try the same thing.
 

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I went through a very similar process about a year ago. I tried the Centro Documentazione as well as Customer Service and Homologation Depts in the UK – all were dead ends – none were able to provide a Certificate of Conformity as requested by the CA DMV. The US-EPA also were unable to, as they've since purged their records from those years.

FMVSS info on the door jamb was not needed by the DMV, only proof that the car met US and California emissions standards for the year of manufacture.

The facts that your VIN is unique to US-only cars and SPICA is intact, are not understood as proof, sadly.
I think the suggestion by Yves is your best route.
 

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Thanks again for the inputs. I am compiling as much information as I can, in parallel with trying to find the manufacturer's certificate.
I do have the original owners manual, but unfortunately it is not in very good shape, the pages are stuck together :-(.
Does someone have a 1973 Spider 2000 Inezione Owners manual that they could take pictures of the pages with the USA DOT Consumer information in it? It would be greatly appreciated!
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Thanks again for the inputs. I am compiling as much information as I can, in parallel with trying to find the manufacturer's certificate.
I do have the original owners manual, but unfortunately it is not in very good shape, the pages are stuck together :-(.
Does someone have a 1973 Spider 2000 Inezione Owners manual that they could take pictures of the pages with the USA DOT Consumer information in it? It would be greatly appreciated!
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There's a clean copy on ebay, maybe the seller would oblige and take the pictures you need. ALFA ROMEO 2000 1973 MODEL YEAR OWNERS MANUAL FORSPICA INJECTED MODELS | eBay
 
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