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Hi Everybody,

I commissioned Romalisa.com to produce a couple of renderings of my GTV6 with some body modifications. Let me know your impressions of the design.
It could turn into a body kit in the future(after my Spider Ultimo project is completed).

I highly recommend Roman as his work is first rate and he is very professional. To see more of his excellent work http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/anything-about-alfa-romeos-alfabb-com/47116-alfa-art.html

Keep the revs up,

Charlie
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im not sure exactly..just that the opening in it is far to large ..be fine if there was an IC to fill it but as it is ..its just too open or something...just cant put my finger on it it yet
 

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but seriously (oh wait, i was serious),

what i like about this design :
- the bumpers are integrated into the fender flares.
- the side skirts are clean and simple.

what i think doesn't work :
- the lack of continuous front bumper looks incongruous with the cars natural styling, and looks too boy/rice racer (for my taste). a front bumper is, as Sh0rtlife says, "whats missing".
- the modern boy racer air dam stylistically clashes with the old school rear spoiler design.
- the two large openings in the air dam say "BMW".
- how are you going to route the exhaust out the middle (like a boxster or mini) ?
- this is the perfect opportunity to make the hood bulge look better integrated into the styling.
- why not integrate classic, or modern, Alfa styling cues into the new pieces ?
- your Serpent Autosport wheels look soooo good. don't change them. the guests i brought with me to Best of France and Italy were instantly drawn to your car from the paint job, tinted windows, and most especially : those WHEELS !
 

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i think the fetta/gtv6 body would look MUCH better with bumpers half the normal thickness and moulded into a kit and not actualy wraping around the sides of the car
 

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Thanks shOrtlife, Darth Dino and PietereQ for your comments.

On the front end treatment I was looking for a smoother simpler (lighter) look. But it also has to have a continous flow from the front fender flares to the side skirt to the rear flare and into the rear bumber. I gave the rear spoiler some thought as my first inclination was to delete it. It was left on so I could give it a fair evaluation. As to the matter of the hood buldge, I have gone full circle on this one. I have always liked the hood on PietereQ's Chapparal. Any suggestions or preferences for this?

"i like this one MUCH better "
"I agree"

Well, we all agree we like the Serpent Autosport GTV6 better. The best part about that one is it's paid for. LOL!

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Charlie's "Modificata"

Charlie, as usual bro.... you're little Alfista brain is waaaaaay ahead of most us!

Spectacular kit! :D We need more Alfa bros, working and driving towards cool modifications for our older and the NEW Alfas that'll be here late next year right?

I'd go a step further, and TELL ALL ALFA club members that they need some new categories in their Alfa Awards Events during "concorso" events, where by they include the best "modificata" Alfas for their judged events.

Hopefully the ARA and AROC will catch up soon!

Great visions Charlie!;)
 

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i think i figured some of the front and rear out that may be of use to you...the front bumper on the sides of the car is too "pudgy" on the sides..try sucking it in some and triming the fat a bit...also the gtv6/fetta body ALWAYS needs a air **** lip..they just look goofy without it..this kit wouldnt need something huge but maybe a slight sweep out 1-2 inch lip on the bottom edge....rear bumper needs a trim lip on the bottom edge ever sooo subtle
 

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Not bad,

I've always like the fender flares that were used on the '89 BMW M3 and Starion ESI-R. Sort 'ave like a stepped variance to the GTAM style.
89bmwm3.jpg SilverStarion.jpg

Somehow though, I don't think it would translate in to the Alfetta body style - I have never seen a kit that really looks good - the red GTV6 that sports Charlies wheels is probably one of the best examples & that silver car from Sweden for sure. Nice lines Roman, but could use some refinement - ANYTHING that get's rid of the "stand-away" bumbers in favor of integration helps hide the age... Kinda' like the Countach, hard to improve upon the basic lines of the original Giugaro design...

I do like the fender flares, side skirts, and rear bumper. The front bumper could use some changes though...Maybe just a nice lip on the bottom would give it some "chin" IMHO. Excellent talent Roman!

Oh yeah, The SZ is probably the ugliest Alfa ever built! hehe :p
 

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Ya' - And that's probably an '86 - already had the integrated bumpers. (note the same style fender blisters I was talking about).

I like those too. Very rare to see. 5-cylinder 2.2L turbocharged with similar HP to 2.5 Milano but with 30lbs more torque. Nowhere near the glorious sound though. Oh well, maybe that's why they fitted them with a Blaupunkt.:p
(and the 16k GTV6 got a 15w Clarion 2-spkr "system")

The Chapparal GTV6 was probably the best looking & most collectible, perhaps even more so than the Calloway.
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Full Zender kit.

Your depictions are very nice Roman, it seems though that from the angles chosen, the bumper sections that wrap around are too "fat" in terms of how they stand away from the body. However, in the front isometric the rear wrap-around appears proportional. The front needs an air dam or spoiler to complete the look IMO. Makes for a great wallpaper!:D

You no doubt have great skill and if you could, PM me with a ball park figure to draw something like this. I have a couple of mechanical drawings that I would like depicted in 3D.
 

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Ya' - And that's probably an '86 - already had the integrated bumpers. (note the same style fender blisters I was talking about).

I like those too. Very rare to see. 5-cylinder 2.2L turbocharged with similar HP to 2.5 Milano but with 30lbs more torque. Nowhere near the glorious sound though. Oh well, maybe that's why they fitted them with a Blaupunkt.:p
(and the 16k GTV6 got a 15w Clarion 2-spkr "system")

The Chapparal GTV6 was probably the best looking & most collectible, perhaps even more so than the Calloway.
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Full Zender kit.

Your depictions are very nice Roman, it seems though that from the angles chosen, the bumper sections that wrap around are too "fat" in terms of how they stand away from the body. However, in the front isometric the rear wrap-around appears proportional. The front needs an air dam or spoiler to complete the look IMO. Makes for a great wallpaper!:D

You no doubt have great skill and if you could, PM me with a ball park figure to draw something like this. I have a couple of mechanical drawings that I would like depicted in 3D.
ToonRboy... I'm confident that you're WRONG regarding the Chapparel collectability compared to a Callaway. Definitely a Chapparel which was made in many more numbers than a Callaway (it's CallAway NOT CallOway) and was nothing more than a "average" remassaging of the 2.5, nothing like the re-engineered twin turbo Callaway could never be as collectible as a Callaway. Furthermore, the Callaway was an Alfa Romeo approved, and sanctioned model in North America initiated and driven by Don Black himself; the chief engineer of Alfa Romeo of North America... FYI.

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Martin, nice to know that you're CONFIDENT. We need more confident folks in this country. When a person says "probably" and "perhaps", I think they are stating opinion and not fact (in this case, educated opinion). Only time will tell which car becomes more collectible. Something we'll have to track.

Let me pick (forgive the hijack) your confident statements apart.
Definitely a Chapparel which was made in many more numbers than a Callaway
Back that statement up Martin. You mean to tell me that more people were able to afford the 10k+ (unfinanced) to rebuid their GTV6 than the folks who could finance the whole 26k for a Callaway? I think not.

was nothing more than a "average" remassaging of the 2.5
The Chapparral GTV6 made 200HP (naturally aspirated) with the 2.5. Hardly "average" my man (that means port/polish, cams, compression, and exhaust). They also went over the entire body, electrical system, and interior using quality products such as English leather (not the cologne) and Wilton carpets. They improved the shift mechanism, installed a full Zender body kit and (for a bit more) Compomotive rims, finally repainting the car with a multi-stage process.
What did Calloway do? - What they were asked to do. Build a turbo system to enhance power and still pass emissions. Indeed, they did an outstanding job and packaged it very tightly. Oh, yeah - you also get rims and a nice little boost gauge too...(for 10k over list)
Furthermore, the Callaway was an Alfa Romeo approved, and sanctioned model in North America initiated and driven by Don Black himself
Who cares? Take Don's car to Barrett-Jackson and see what it fetches.

Don't get offended just because you own a Callaway Martin (Sorry Reeves for the misspelling).
 

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Martin, nice to know that you're CONFIDENT. We need more confident folks in this country. When a person says "probably" and "perhaps", I think they are stating opinion and not fact (in this case, educated opinion). Only time will tell which car becomes more collectible. Something we'll have to track.

Let me pick (forgive the hijack) your confident statements apart.
Back that statement up Martin. You mean to tell me that more people were able to afford the 10k+ (unfinanced) to rebuid their GTV6 than the folks who could finance the whole 26k for a Callaway? I think not.


The Chapparral GTV6 made 200HP (naturally aspirated) with the 2.5. Hardly "average" my man (that means port/polish, cams, compression, and exhaust). They also went over the entire body, electrical system, and interior using quality products such as English leather (not the cologne) and Wilton carpets. They improved the shift mechanism, installed a full Zender body kit and (for a bit more) Compomotive rims, finally repainting the car with a multi-stage process.
What did Calloway do? - What they were asked to do. Build a turbo system to enhance power and still pass emissions. Indeed, they did an outstanding job and packaged it very tightly. Oh, yeah - you also get rims and a nice little boost gauge too...(for 10k over list)
Who cares? Take Don's car to Barrett-Jackson and see what it fetches.

Don't get offended just because you own a Callaway Martin (Sorry Reeves for the misspelling).
Well... I'm not offended at all, it's just FUNNY to me how many people's feathers get ruffled as soon as some one contradicts them. Based on the tone of your posting, it sounds as though you've easily been offended though! :p

Look, you have to go reread your post, you say that what you wrote was an "opinion," then later you say that it's now an "educated opinion." So, if you have a simple "opinion," shouldn't you be open to another perspective that may very well, change yours? Perhaps an opinion that's based on tons of research? I wonder with ALL DUE RESPECT based on what education y our "educated" opinion is based on?

For starters, did you know that as recently as two months ago, one of the premier sports car evaluation journals rated (The Sports Car Market Magazine) the Callaway as a piece of Alfa exotica that's on the rise in desirability and has prices starting out at the upper $20s to lower $30's... which I feel is still low and will continue to rise.

It gives me no pleasure to BURST YOUR BUBBLE Tooner, but you ought to know, from one fellow Alfista to another, that no tuned Chapparal has ever been rated at this value level or likely ever will. Personally speaking though, and now I'll admit selfishly motivated, I really hope Chapparel prices chase Callaway prices quickly, as I do believe our beloved V6 Alfas are on the rise, and if the Chapparal increases in value so too will other special and more exotic V6s... we all win that way! So I personally have a vested interest in V6s rising in price.

Your other statement that asked whether there were more Chapparal's made at a $10k unfinanced premium than Callaway's $36k financed value at the time... AHHHHHH ARE YOU KIDDING ME? YES! Again, Tooner, I don't want to sound mean here but anyone (not just you) that truly has a modicum of an "educated" opinion will know that it's a HISTORICAL fact that there were only 35 Callaway's made & sold at Alfa Dealerships. This stands as one of the rarest Alfas produced and sanctioned in Alfa history... save the rarer cars such as the TZ1 and 2s.... Chapparal is now defunked, they no longer exist making any verification of any fact of these cars very, very difficult if not impossible. Of course, a defunked Chapparal also impacts the prices of their cars, which has outlived them. What is known about the Chapparal, which by the way was known as the B200, was that they made them for 3 years between 1988 to 1990, at an average of 2.5 cars per month. YOU DO THE MATH.

Honestly, I think we have very very different definitions of "educated." However, perhaps it's worth mentioning that since I've had the rare personal experience of actually putting my money where my mouth is by having invested not only in a Callaway, but having been fortunate enough to purchase the 1st prototype through a Ferrari broker, then I hope it becomes more understandable how people who have bought Callaway's or Chapparels for that matter, would know and have such unique and factual information.

And by the way, factory backed and developed cars such as the Callaway, do make A BIG DIFFERENCE in value compared to a tuned privateer car such as the Chapparal. Mostly in value, and I now think that you know in which direction that value is impacted...

I too apologize for the hijacking of the thread, in deference to this thread's poster, I will no longer post here about that. However, feel free to PM me if you'd like to continue our discussion Toon.

Regards,:cool:
 
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