[jckevin]

I'm in Seattle, loving my 94 164Q. There really is no damage except trunk lid is bowed on driver's side, and hinge is messed up where it attaches to trunk lid.

After talking to body shop, I think it'll be best to get a new lid. And hinge assembly. We will just have to attach the spoiler to the new lid and all the badges, etc.

Del - do you still have a lid? Anyone?

 

[celticape]

I'm in Seattle, loving my 94 164Q. There really is no damage except trunk lid is bowed on driver's side, and hinge is messed up where it attaches to trunk lid.

After talking to body shop, I think it'll be best to get a new lid. And hinge assembly. We will just have to attach the spoiler to the new lid and all the badges, etc.

Del - do you still have a lid? Anyone?

I believe Jason at alfissimo has one.

 

[jckevin]

Too much money. Shipping will be a bunch from Arizona.

 

[jc96]

go to R2's house and "lift" Alpaca Mikes. He may not notice and if he does, may not care. good luck, ciao chris

 

[Spitfire]

C'mon, at least bungee a tarp over the trunk opening if you go that route.

 

[Del]

Yup, have a lid, cheap. Local pickup.

 

[Richard2]

Mike would brobebly sell the trunk lid off his parts car. Never thought of that. A better choice is Del's. That one used to be mine

 

[jckevin]

And it will work fine on my 94? I understand that the hinge designs changed over the years

 

[Alfissimo Int.]

I'm in Seattle, loving my 94 164Q. There really is no damage except trunk lid is bowed on driver's side, and hinge is messed up where it attaches to trunk lid.

After talking to body shop, I think it'll be best to get a new lid. And hinge assembly. We will just have to attach the spoiler to the new lid and all the badges, etc.

Del - do you still have a lid? Anyone?

I should have what you need.

 

[Alfisto Steve]

You will need proper hinge for gas strut system off a later model 164S or a 24v model.

Deck lid should be the same though.

 

[Del]

No, I think he wants the hinges from a 164 which used springs, not those gas struts, as I'm sure he doesn't want holes in the rear fenders, as many have had happen, no thanks to those struts. You know all about that, Steve. I think he will want to change to S springs to avoid that damage.

However, I suppose that if he wants to get into the rear corner roof posts and reinforce that sheet metal with the cheesy hinge mounting so that it doesn't warp, tear out, and distort the location of the upper end of the gas strut...

 

[Alfisto Steve]

That's all well and good but to take a 24v back to springs will require besides different hinges for springs also require welding in or trying to bolt in rear mounts to attach springs which are not in the 24v models as I remember.

 

[Del]

No problem with that, took me all of about 2 hrs to make aluminum angle brackets with holes drilled in them, fastening them under the trunk side rain gutters with pan head bolts and sealing them so that water doesn't leak in. They are just duplicates of the ones in the S. Everything works just fine on the LS. I even painted them the same champagne color to match.

Still... it's his choice. I'm just trying to tell him how to avoid the problems which could arise because of those gas struts and the original inadequate hinge attachment method. Really, the change over was pretty easy to do.

 

[jckevin]

I'd post pics but am driving to Spokane. I really don't think I have gas struts. If so they're well hidden

 

[Del]

Well, the springs are completely obvious, being in big black plastic tubes on either side if you have them. The fiat parts eper does show that you should have gas struts.

The struts are up at the front of the trunk, on either side behind the lining, up against the inside of the fender, mounted vertically. All you can see is the top at first glance. The bottom is more difficult to see. You have to pull the side linings out or at least down to access anything.

 

[jckevin]

Del, you'll see first hand real soon.

 

[Del]

Sure. Just let me know when.

 

[jckevin]

Called my mechanic... Gas struts. They still work fine.

 

[Del]

That is the problem, in that they work so well, they cause the hinge attachment to work the sheet metal, making it crack, causing the hinge to move to one side. This causes the top of the gas strut to contact the inside of the fender, eventually denting it, and finally wearing a hole, w/rust, in the fender itself. This happens mostly because people reef on the trunk lid to open and close it, the hinge support sheet metal not being stiff enough to resist cracking. Can also happen even if you don't reef on the lid, but just move it up and down normally, the hinge support material being so flexible, just takes longer.

You have to do one of two things to prevent this, either tear into the hinge support sheet metal inside the rear roof posts to reinforce/repair that metal, or change to S springs.

 

[Alfissimo Int.]

I have later hinge and deck lid. No problem! Shipping should not. E outrageous!