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Now and again on this forum a request comes for tools for the toolbox on a 2600 . This always gets little response because there are few out there. Ocasionally a full toolbox comes up for sale and sells for silly money - up to 2,000 dollars

So I though I would search for tools or replicas

So far a little progress

1. 14mm/17mm spanner

I have come across this site

Aftermarket Tools for your Alfa Romeo TwinSpark, JTS, JTD, V6 and Twin Cam Engines :: TotallyAlfa TotallyAlfa - aftermarket tools for your alfa

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14/17mm Sump Tool (unknown) :: TotallyAlfa

You will find a 14/17mm Sump Tool - which is a good copy of the rocker cover spanner in the toolkit

Price £12 - I have bought one and it is a reasonable copy. Sprayed a dull silver

There are also many other good alfa tools on this website - have a search - valve retaining tool , head lifter , etc

Also Pinion/Crankshaft Nut Tool - A.5.0114

Its a small world " Tor Willy Austerslått forwarded a drawing by Ruedi Aschwanden from which they have produced this tool!" ( Spelling not quite right!) A little expensive this one as Alfa still sell them new .

2. Tommy bar

I have had a few copies made as photos

These are simple bits of steel bar turned at one end to match the original amd again sprayed silver

I now have 4 spares - $10 each plus postage to cover my costs . Please send PM if interested

Photos below - Anyone else have leads on tools or replicas at sensible prices
2nd photo is a spot the difference competition there is one of each real tool in the photo the rest are replicas
 

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Tommy bars sold to 58_spyder and alfa2go

Maybe I should start a tool store?

I'll see if TotalyAlfa can make a stock then

cheers

Ian
 

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Factory tools are of little use

In my (not a bit humble, but entirely honest) opinion those fancy two liter tool sets found in the nice little boxes that can be sold for $2,000 or so, are hardly useful. The ends of the wrenches are clublike and the steel too soft; the screwdriver too fragile when used on anything else except the screws holding the door panels. Oh, I do happen to have a couple sets yet, one completely unmolested and the other pretty much complete but with inner linings falling apart. The unmolested set came with a 1960 two liter sprint AR10205*00019 I found in Portland that had been sitting in a garage since 1973. I have no intention of using it unless I can get the car in decent shape to be shown. Hard to believe it was the Brussels 1961 Show car for Alfa. If you want to work ab it on your on your car you have to be realistic. Get some decent modern tool sets. How about sockets and ratchets? Get at least a couple sets of "real" metric tools, one of combination wrenchs with ratcheting box ends. Not even the wonderful 14mm x 17mm allen wrench tool is up to "tool steel" standard. I broke off the 17mm side once trying to pound a corroded and stubborn drain out of a gas tank. I finally bought two proper-sized "real" metric allen wrenches and now use no other. Those shiny factory fitted sets are only intended to be shown as assessories at a concours, not for any other possible use. Heavens sake! If you used them you would probably get them greasy or scratch them.
 

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Thanks Jay - Shall I send a pm with my address so you can send me your unwanted toolboxes - or I'll swap for a set of King Dicks finest?
 

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I apologize

Ian, You are so right. I am shocked to see what I wrote. While the tools do have limitations, they do seem important to lots of people without them. But no one should ever pay $2,000 for them -- ever. Hard to believe that so many cars are missing these (all came so equipped new), but I wonder how many were just set aside as being useless when working on the cars. Nevertheless, I feel like such a _ _ _ _ for making my comments. Forgive me.
 

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Tools for the have nots-winter project 4

Jay, You were right to say what you said about the Alfa Romeo Tools in the Two Liter and 2600 cars. In fact you told me on the phone almost the same exact thing over 21 years ago; when we had just brought home our first Ironblock Roadster from Alabama. The car was a 'good 20 footer' but it had a nearly complete tool box that today is worth 2/3rds what we paid for the car. Perhaps the tool box really helped sell the first Roadster...

Fortunately I listened and have not used the tools so that they are preserved and are reserved just for car shows. They really do make a nice display piece with all the chrome plated tools glistening in the sun; just compare this tool kit to the tool roll that came in most Alfa's and all will see how special the tools and the cars they represent really are!

Honestly, the cars are just a bit clunky too but we still love them!

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Ah, the internet.

I bought my first 102 in about 1972 for $500. It was sitting in the garage of the owner's mother, and she wanted it gone. With some gas, it started up and drove away, but we later discovered that the low oil pressure was due to a broken crankshaft. Ooops. It was complete and nice looking, but in hindsight probably had terminal rust starting, given it's life in Houston and Galveston.

The point of this being that I owned the car for about 5 or 6 years and never once lifted the rubber mat to look for the tool kit. I didn't know such a tool kit existed, nor where to look for it. I suspect it was there the whole time, as I don't recall any deformation of the rubber matting in the trunk. After a paint job, engine overhaul, new exhaust, new top, and 4 new Michellin 165 X 400's, I sold it for $2,500 to a young man, who flew in from New Jersey to Indiana and drove off in a blinding snow storm never to be heard from again.

In other words, I sold it for little more than the value of the tool kit that I didn't know was back there.

I'm with Jay. I reject the idea of spending so much money on something I will never use. Note - I WILL use my fresh 102 to generate substantial grins and giggles. Using the factory tools would cause barked knuckles and coarse language.

I've mocked up a tool box to keep the rubber mat laying true. I may carry a stick of dynamite, or at least a book of matches much as one might carry a big stick when trying to lead a mule. Purely as a reminder to the car never to misbehave in a way that can't be fixed with dispatch.
 

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Going Japanese

Having just watched some original tools for a 2600 sell for an amazing $1423 on Ebay ( Photo 1) . I have gone Japanese (Photo 2)

Tools for a 1998 Suzuki intruder

Plastic screwdriver with 3 interchange-able blades - very similar to 2600 - yes I know wrong colour.

Screwdriver head is slightly too large for tool box ( won't close) but would look fine in a tool roll

One of the spanners 17mm/14mm is exactly the same size as the alfa one - I'll have to grind off made in Japan ! All cost me $34.57

Time to wind up the furnace and start casting some spanners

He Ho

Ian
 

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replica tyre pressure gauge

I've lost track of where this was being discussed , so I have decided to resurrect my old thread


I have managed to find a possible source for a replica tyre pressure gauge - At ( not surprisingly) pressuregauge.co.uk - Pressure Gauge Manufacture and Supply

They supply std 50mm dia gauges


If you just want a non working toolbox filler - they will supply a suitable 50mm dia gauge ,then with a change of dial face using the images supplied by Doug . ( The gauges are dismantleable) . A cheap ( around£15 ) copy can be made. I am sure there are US suppliers of similar 2 inch gauges.

Also, this company makes specialist copies of steam engine gauges etc. They are prepared to make a working replica of the alfa pressure gauge with the correct face for around £90, this includes air hose and fittings. The only thing they can't do is the reset button.

I have ordered one and will need you know the outcome in 5-6 weeks
 

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Screwdriver and bits

Ok and the next one

I have found a way to make a reasonable replica of the screwdriver and bits . This uses a 70's torch screwdriver - a naff Dad's Christmas present. It is flawed as a tool as the screwdriver is fitted to the middle of the lamp lense and would not take any torque, Use one of these and a std plastic handled scrwdriver.

These torch screwdrivers come up regularly on Ebay and can be bought for less than £10. The one i bought is apparently for a 1906 Rolls Royce in a handsom leather case!

I cut the screwdriver down to a 10mm stub and then drilled down into the handle to release the shaft of the of the screwdriver. The piece removed form the torch should then fit into the remaining hole.

Don't try to drill out the shaft as it is hardenned steel and wil just heat up and melt the handle. Another way to remove the shaft is to heat it and pull on the handle - but I didn't try this.
 

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Here is my attempt at making/finding tools. I cast the screwdriver and made the rest based off purchased items. The hammer is correct in size and weight. The gauge is a little larger - 55mm. The fuse box is just something I threw together.

Doug
 

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I made up some duplicate screwdrivers fo the 2000 toolkit. The doner bits came from HF for less than 2 dollars each. The casting forms and corks cost me about 16 dollars.

Al is very generous and allowed me to borrow his screw driver set. Many thanks Al!

The original scrwdrivers appear on top in the picture. The casting could have come out better, but I got interrupted when I was pressurizing the tank - Roger stopped by to drop off the slave clutch rod bits I lent him so the tank only got to 20 PSI instead of the usual 40 PSI I use. No matter though, these look fine but I plan to cast a few more sets.

I now have a complete toolkit. Yeeha - My 190 pliers could be better.

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