[/QUOTE]I found the Vreds have some 30 to 40 percent better traction than the best "street" tires of the late 1960s. That's in wet or dry.
That's been my experience, also. the 165x14 H rated Vredesteins were very stable, quick handling tires in either dry or wet weather. I went with some inexpensive Kuhmo 185x65x15 this time around, largely because they were recommended by an autocrosser (found on the internet so it had to be true, right?). In the few hundred miles that I've driven them, I can say they haven't embarrassed themselves, are crisp handling and as quiet on the road as the Vredesteins. But then there's always the Avon CR6-ZZ's at about $260US ea.