[myklnz]

Been shopping for a Giulia Spider 1600 for a while. Came across this one.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/alfa-romeo/giulia/2484706.html

Any thoughts or advice?

Thanks!

 

[6alfas]

That's a LOT of money for a car that has some incorrect bits and pieces.

 

[myklnz]

That's a LOT of money for a car that has some incorrect bits and pieces.

Can you share the bits and pieces that are incorrect? I know there are a couple.

 

[Raimondo]

Perhaps, the steering wheel, trim on seat backs, carpeting, brake fluid reservoir color, air cleaner housing assembly, and windshield washer bag,. However, I have been wrong before especially on an Euro-market car.

Still, a very nice car in a wonderful color.

Ray

 

[6alfas]

That air filter is incorrect, wrong cam cover nuts, brake fluid canister should be black, the hood gap at the middle front looks off, and wrong rad cap. Not sure when they added the ashtray but I think there should be one. Carpet is incorrect but kind of an owners choice. No pics of the back of the car?

 

[myklnz]

Agree the price is VERY high. Here are more pics and videos of the car.

Checked out the steering wheel and while I thought it would be a two spoke, the three spoke is correct for these.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Normale - Getyourclassic bid now

This is a stunning Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Normale built in 1962. The Spider underwent a nut and bolt restoration in 2021 with the best part

getyourclassic.com

I also have many pics through the restoration process. It was quite extensive.

Truly appreciate your input.

 

[ITALCAROZ]

photos of the suspension but no photos of the rear of the car, seems odd. even walk around skated past the rear. is it me or are the eyebrows a bit wonky.

 

[Barn101]

Agree the price is VERY high. Here are more pics and videos of the car.

Checked out the steering wheel and while I thought it would be a two spoke, the three spoke is correct for these.

Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Normale - Getyourclassic bid now

This is a stunning Alfa Romeo Giulia Spider Normale built in 1962. The Spider underwent a nut and bolt restoration in 2021 with the best part

getyourclassic.com

I also have many pics through the restoration process. It was quite extensive.

Truly appreciate your input.

Most of the things that aren’t original can be easily fixed, which is good news. I noticed a lack of an oil pressure line to the tri-gauge. At least one of the right side clam shells has a bolt head instead of a cheesehead screw, but again, easily replaced. The radiator looks like it’s had a rough life.
I don’t know that at the level of its restoration that its price is “very high”. I’ve seen finished Normales go for more, especially in Europe lately. Buying transportation for it to the States is a consideration. The fewer built Veloces obviously garner more, but except for the steering wheel everything else to make it right would be inexpensive tasks. That said, attention to those common AlfaBB-discussed details missing on it makes me wonder where else things were overlooked. Is it a correct Celeste blue for a Giulia, or did that color change after the Giuliettas?

 

[divotandtralee]

Poland in Springtime is very bucolic.. Krakow and the Carpathians ,, Zakopane are divine.

 

[Alfajay]

Most of the things that aren’t original can be easily fixed, which is good news. I noticed a lack of an oil pressure line to the tri-gauge.

Good pick-up. Yes, how does the mechanical oil pressure gauge work?

The steering wheel is correct for a Giulia. And yes, it should have an ashtray bolted to the hump behind the gearshift. But the lids on the &*%#@! things rattle, so unless you're a smoker, or insist on 100% accuracy, they're best left off.

That said, attention to those common AlfaBB-discussed details missing on it makes me wonder where else things were overlooked.

Right! It isn't that this is a bad car; as Barn101 says, its incorrect bits seem like they could easily be fixed. But the lack of a more complete set photos makes it hard to comment; a PPI would be prudent here. "$100,500 firm" does seem high for a Giulia normale with a less than concours restoration.

What is the red cable that seems to come off the starter and is threaded through the hole in the block-bellhousing spacer? Might that be the high-current connection to the rear-mounted battery. If it is, I would insulate it a LOT better where it passes through the steel plate; vibration would chew through the insulation pretty quickly and then lightning would strike.

The starter seems too big for a 1600 - might this car have an engine transplant (which could account for the missing oil pressure gauge connection)?

 

[myklnz]

Feedback from the restorer:

[3:15 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Air filter you can buy and fit
Cap can original one but this one keeps pressure better if you want drive ....I made a choice to the owner blu carpet or original rubber mat and black carpet
Middle gap is original to put fingers to open the hood
No ashtray it was an option he can buy one like mirror
[3:15 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Cam cover nuts correct for giulia 1.6
[3:15 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: 1.3 had different ones
[3:15 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: If you paint brake fluid black paint is peel off from brake fluid
[3:17 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Windshield washer bag yellow vdo was on giulietta
[3:20 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Bonnet gap so slide fingers in👆
[3:21 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: To* slide
[3:28 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Can fit if they like those have plenty of early type this car was made to drive and not for concorso d eleganza
[3:37 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Vitaloni mirror was mounted on late giulias from factory but if new owner want to have mirror on both sides is impossible to mount on right door
[3:38 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Put on later models.
[3:50 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: The yellow bag was on giulietta and 102 spiders
[6:09 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: Incase: Rafal does have one
[6:14 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: And these he has if you want.
[6:22 AM, 5/1/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: And an original cap. He only has the other one on because it keeps pressure is better

Appreciate everyone's observations.

Does anyone have a picture of what they believe is the correct steering wheel for a 1962 1600?

Looks to be the same on this one. Alfa Romeo - Giulia 1600 Spider - 1962

A 62 Giulia Spider sold for $100,000 on BAT in late January as reported in the April Alfa Owner magazine. Seats showed wear and the dash and instruments need attention according to the article.

The owner and I spent an hour last weekend looking at the car top to bottom and inside out via video call. Celeste blue was a correct color for this tipo/year and I'd hope he matched it correctly.

I observed the 1600 badge and side mirror are not installed. It doesn't have the orange reflectors on the front fenders though I think the mirror and reflectors were a US requirement. He says he has the badge but was his choice not to put it on because he felt it does not suit the shape of the trunk, his personal choice.

They've agreed to pay shipping as a concession on the deal and seem willing to work to get the car as close to correct as possible.

 

[6alfas]

The correct air filter assembly will set you back in excess of $500.

The 62 Spider that sold on BaT in January for $100K was a 2000 Touring Spider, not a Giulia (unless I just can't find it). Totally different beast.

The correct washer bag is blue, but it's a different blue bag than the one that is on the car. The one on the car is a later bag. The yellow bag was for Sprints and 2000/2600 series cars.

Never heard the "fingers under the hood story" before to explain the gap.

As Jay said, get a picture of the engine block number and make sure it's correct.

 

[myklnz]

You are correct. That was a 2000 Spider, my mistake.

The engine has a blank number plate as it is a replacement.

@Alfajay, can you explain what a PPI is?

I will say I am looking to buy a car to drive, not trailer to greens.

Given there seem to be a few questionable aspects on this vehicle perhaps it best to just pass at this price.

 

[6alfas]

PPI = Pre-Purchase Inspection

 

[myklnz]

PPI = Pre-Purchase Inspection

Thanks. While I could readily fly to Krakow tomorrow to check it out, it is not really possible at the moment with the pandemic rules.

I've tried to locate classic car appraisers in Poland as well with no luck

 

[myklnz]

With the attention to detail I've seen from his resto work I couldn't imagine there'd be a gap that wasn't supposed to be there but I'm relatively new to older Alfas.

 

[myklnz]

He seems to answer every question:

[2:57 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: Good morning so to answer more questions
1. Radiator is original from this car but it has new core
[3:02 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: 2. Red cable you were asking is for oil sender for the oil temp which is in oil sump
[3:04 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: 3. Oil pressure hose is connected to engine block is pressure instrument not electrical senders in 101

 

[myklnz]

[3:04 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: 3. Oil pressure hose is connected to engine block is pressure instrument not electrical senders in 101
[3:06 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: Battrie cable is thick and black and is going in protection
[3:08 AM, 5/2/2021] +48 734 425 000: 4 Starter is Bosch from 1.6 - bigger engines 1.7 2.0 had 9 gears starters and 1.3, 1.6 8 gears so not possible to use from bigger engine
[3:15 AM, 5/2/2021] +34 634 37 96 26: The clam shell question. Are you talking about the bolts on the Hood (the Bonnet)?

 

[myklnz]

@Barn101 can you please clarify what you mean by clamshells? Seller nor I understood. Thanks for all you input and time.

 

[myklnz]