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If I'm doing the math right each piston is almost the equivalent to a Mopar 440ci :eek:
 

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Listening to that engine run made the hair stand up on the back of my neck! Did I understand they are going to run it at Goodwood next year? I may have to change my travel plans next year to include England.
 

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I can't get either of OP's links to work. If you watch the video here and go to 0:44. you can see one of the pistons in the background. It's the size of a paint can! :scared:

28.5-litre Fiat starts for first time in 100 years - BBC Top Gear

I can't imagine how scary driving the Beast above 60mph would be, never mind north of 100mph. Drivers back in the 1910s had to have big brass ones!
 

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...really.... chain drive and those skinny a*s tires ...I'll would take a pass driving one of those.... I'm a big sissy when it come to that

That guy starting it has a pair... if the timing is a hair off that crank could have sent that guy through the side of a barn. I kick started a old bike I had and forgot to dial back the mag and was thrown over the handle bars onto the front lawn (all 6'4" 225lbs) and that was only a 900cc


I can't imagine how scary driving the Beast above 60mph would be, never mind north of 100mph. Drivers back in the 1910s had to have big brass ones!
 

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I wonder what those "glowing cinders" are that come flying out of the exhaust?

Looks like a steam locomotive....I've never even seen that on a B-17.
 

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I wonder what those "glowing cinders" are that come flying out of the exhaust?
As a friend of mine quipped, this is obvious evidence of the owner keeping straw in the cylinders to keep it warm during the winter. You would have to see the number of old Alfa engines in my friend's collection of agricultural barns with such internal 'furnishing' to fully appreciate the joke ....
 

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That thing smokes worse than a 1958 Saab I use to have.
 

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What an AMAZINGLY WONDERFUL machine!
 

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Ha! I never even knew this beast existed. I put this in the same category as the famous Moto Guzzi V8 - who else but an Italian engineer would have tried that.
 

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Sad to say, but, following the Carabinieri and Procura di Torino investigations, it seems that Mr. Pittaway borrowed the original S76 engine from the University of Turin collection (a collection formed by many air engines) and 1 year later gave it back. Eventually he didn't give back the original one but a fake made by brass and painted. It happened probably with the blindness or the complicity of other people in Italy. Unfortunately after 16 years the crime isn't more prosecutable, but an ugly stain remains on this episode. Here is the complete article:
 

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This is interesting, but if someone had the original for two years, it would not require unlimited funds TODAY to make one "real" running replica, or as Ferrari and others have done, MORE than one.
Further, one remanufactured today would use superior materials as compared to original as well as more precise machining and much more. In short, a remanufactured 110 year old engine design would be far superior as a running example to the "original".
My question would be the location of the original guts of plus how many more spares are now out there? If it is possible to build a "perfect" fake Ferrari 250 GTO , 250 TR or SWB, PLUS a replica Alfa GTA or Bugatti, COMPLETE automobile, why not just a replica of a 110+ year old engine?
Want a replica of a Wright Flyer aircraft engine? I'll bet you can get one!
 

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I asked the same question myself...
The deal Pittaway made, as the article reports, was he 'ld restore the original engine in exchange to make a copy for himself. Instead he made the opposite: he kept the original and gave back a badly done and not working copy. Furthermore he states he found the original one somewhere (what a lucky guy....) and the FIVA judges believed him.
 
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