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Hi All.

I’ve just returned to the forum after about 8 years. (Formerly “new alfa75 owne” but that username wont let me log in). In any case, my Alfa has been in the garage and not started for about 7-8 years. There wasn’t much wrong with the car when I garaged it, just had an electrical issue that I sorted after buying a new car. I’ve been thinking about getting it back on the road but after some advice on what steps I should take before starting it. People have said to pull the plugs and crank over by hand but not keen on taking all the plugs out of it can be avoided. Timing belt was relatively new when garaged but I would imagine the rubber belt would have weathered a bit.

I really just want to see if it will start or if sitting has caused any major issues. If it will run with little effort, I’ll invest in getting it on the road but otherwise I would probably just sell/scrap as is.

Thanks for any advice.

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Don't scrap an intact Milano

Hey Brian

Welcome back to the AlfaBB. Where are you located?

I'm a little confused by your post you say
"... People have said to pull the plugs and crank over by hand but not keen on taking all the plugs out of it can be avoided. ..."


Well there's only six plugs, so I don't understand your reluctance. At a minimum you need to pull all the plugs, pour a little oil into each cylinder and turn it over by hand before using the starter.

I've revived a number of Alfas from multi year sleeps, and it's always been an involved process.

"... If it will run with little effort, I’ll invest in getting it on the road but otherwise I would probably just sell/scrap as is. ..."

Please don't scrap an intact Milano that just needs some TLC. If you don't want to get it running sell it to somebody who will.

Hope this was helpful.
 

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If stored well for 7-8 years then check all the fluids (including gas - add fresh), charge the battery and fire it up. If stored outside in a field, then a lot more involved.

Assuming first state, T-belt should be OK for start up and easy runs. Change it out for more serious driving.

If you are planning to sell, it will be worth more running. Or in the case of a Milano - some one may actually buy it if it is running. Non-running Milanos are near worthless even now. If you are planning to scrap it, then no harm if you try to start it right?

Getting it on the road will likely require some effort. Alfa's don't like to sit. Brakes, drive line, fuel, electrical all have to be brought back to "awake" status. If you have reasonable mechanical aptitude, this might even be fun ;)
 

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I agree with Mark. Check the fluids, put a little fresh gas in with the old gas, make sure the oil is good.

But check the fuel lines in the engine bay for cracks before firing up. I just bought a crispy GTV6 cheap because the owner didn't.

We also love photos here, degenerates that we are.

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Thanks for the advice. I've decided to be responsible and do the full fluid change and spark plug removal with hand crank before starting.

Im in Australia so its an Alfa75 for us. Ive tried to attach a couple of photos now that it has been towed to my house and has had a hose down.
 

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Wow, that's a rare thing. A RHD 75 3.0V6 in good nick. Looks nice!

Along with the suggestions above, given that it has sat for 7-8 years I'm going to emphasize what @Mark_toro suggested regarding fuel: remove the fuel from the tank before starting it. After sitting that long, you will most likely have separation in the petrol and you would save yourself a lot of work by replacing the old petrol with a fresh gallon or two.

It's almost trivial to drain the tank ... the inlet to the fuel pump in (rear passenger side for you, under the floorboards) is directly from the tank. Remove the clamp and pull the hose off the fuel pump and drain the fluid into a container.

Replace the old petrol with a small amount (1-2 gallons, or 2-4 litres) of fresh petrol.

Then, with the ignition on, move (and hold) the flap in the Air Flow Meter (AFM) and you will hear the fuel pump turn on, pushing fresh fuel through all the necessary hoses. This will also be a good time to see if any of the old hoses need to be replaced. You will be testing your fuel system without a running engine and hot exhaust.
 

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Here's another vote for getting it running, such fun cars to drive. (Lately I've had to wrestle with whether to keep my '87 gold and fix the various problems, or not.)

Do check, as Nizam says, the fuel lines, especially the short high-pressure lines from the fuel rails. Not fun if they spring a leak, which mine did without warning a few years ago.

good luck!

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Hi All,

I'm starting to source the oils, filters etc but im getting conflicting advice on oil filters from Repco. Can anyone advise? Currently i've got a Ryco Z89A but Repco are quoting a Z723 and advising that the Z89A was only for the 2.5L GTV6. Ryco website indicates the z723 for the 3.0i and the Z89A for the 3.0. Can anyone confirm which I should be going for?

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Oil filters are all the same. The only difference is the outside diameter. I usually use the smaller diamater filters since they are easier to put on and off.
 

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Hi all,

So I spent this long weekend going through the process changing all the fluids, cranking over by hand and was turning over ok. Then came time to turn the key. Starter engaged and cranked over a few times. Then it started to fire. Then, nothing. Now when i try to start (after re-charging the battery), it shakes a bit and cranks what seems to be very slightly, maybe a quarter turn of a crank, then shakes and stops.

Is it possible the timing belt skipped a few teeth and its now seized? or possible the starter has crapped out?

Thanks all.

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Hi there, probably best to take the plugs out and turn it over by hand. When taking the plugs out remember is really important to make sure there is no sand, grit, crud down there that will fall into the combustion chamber when the plug is removed. Usually a little blast of air is all it takes. Nice looking car, hope it goes smoothly for you.

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New development.

Took the plugs out and turned it over. Turns over ok manually. Turn the key, it tries to crank then all power is lost and have to pull the negative off the battery and reconnect to get power back.

Thoughts are either a stuck relay, or a computer issue. but never come across anything like this before. Could the starter be overloading something?

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Battery terminal

Have you tried cleaning the inside of the negative battery terminal? I have had these exact symptoms from corrosion inside the terminal.
 

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How old is the battery? It also sounds like a weak battery. Not might show 12.8V but not have the capacity to crank for more than a few seconds. Maybe also try jumping it at the same time?

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Brand new battery installed 2 weeks ago and am keeping it on a maintainer when im not trying to start it.
Have cleaned the battery terminals and now it doesnt cut out power but still doesnt crank.
I will check for any earthing issues next. How difficult would it be for me to pull the starter? And if i do, how re-buildable are they?
 

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Brian what side of Melbourne are you on? If you want I can pm a good auto electrician that recos starters. Starter is easy to pull out if you have some good tools.
 

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Hi All,

Im in Melbourne South East suburbs.

Looks like there may be an earthing issue. When trying to start i am getting 12.8V between the negative and the block. Further investigation next weekend.
 

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Hi All,

Im in Melbourne South East suburbs.

Looks like there may be an earthing issue. When trying to start i am getting 12.8V between the negative and the block. Further investigation next weekend.
There should be a ground strap from near the starter to the body. I also like to add one from the battery negative to the block.

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