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Hello,
I'm about to purchase my first Sprint. A LHD 1961 2000 in Silver.

Before I do I was hoping I might get some advice. Essentially I'm looking for some thoughts on what a new owner of a '61 Sprint should look out for. It's not my first Classic, but it is my first Sprint.

Are they well behaved? How easy are parts to find? I'll be looking to do a simple 'upgrade' to the interior sometime soon - its already well kept, and very 'orginal' but needs attention, TLC and the seats need re-stuffing/ springing etc

Next up, I was going to investigate Borrani wheels. What sizes would they be? Are they simple enough to fit?

- I wondered if any one has any recomendations?

Any thoughts and experience is much appreciated.
 

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Lucky man

Well done ! I am told the 2000 sprint is a better car than the 2600 because of the smaller engine - it steers better and looks better as the bonnet
( hood) line is better.

Also a rare car now I would guess

Top price in the Uk is $20,000 compared to north of $50,000 for a spider - so watch costs if you intend a full rebuild this equals a money pit!

Every question you ask is answered somewhere on the 2000/2600 bb

Search on Boranis and you'll find they look good but you need a very friendly bank manager to afford them!

I have a 2600 spint and spider - see operation restore a sprint for the begining of the story.

There are now many specialist parts suppliers in US re-originals / Germany - see similar posts, parts are expensive from these sources .

I discovered the other day that a lot of service parts and bearings/seals etc are available fron Rockauto.com

Mechanical spares are still available because of the number of sprints broken over the years and parts hoarded. Body panels don't exist anymore.

Don't pay the silly prices on ebay - ask here as I do and someone will help

good luck

Ian
 

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where are you located?

help, parts and specialist recommendations can come from many places but often it makes the most sense to start in the country/area where the car is.

David
 

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Welcome to AlfaBB!

The 102.05 2000 Sprint is one of the rarer cars in the whole 102/106 model line. I believe there's only about two dozen cars known to survive (out of about 710 cars produced between 1960 and 1962). Because of the car's rarity, I recommend you treat it as a survivor and do as little to it as possible (i.e. try preserving a piece of history). Your biggest enemy is rust.

Personally, I prefer the look of the 102 Sprint over the look of the 106 Sprint. There is something about the front grille that seems more balanced and makes the car look more powerful than the 106 Sprint. Furthermore, I attribute the car some significance in Alfa Romeo's history as its lines clearly grand-fathered the 105 GT and GTV cars. The fact that it is one of Giorgetto Giugiaro's first designs for Bertone doesn't hurt either. The magazine “Alfa Romeo – Anno 1 N. 3 – Sep-Oct 1960” pictured below contains 12 pages on the introduction of the 102 Sprint at the 1960 Salone Torino.

To me, there are some mysteries around the 102 Sprint, such as why it was introduced 2 years after the Berlina and Spider or why there were two different, slightly overlapping chassis number ranges for 102.05 cars listed in Fusi’s “Tutte le vetture…” Chassis numbers 10205.00001 to 10205.00185 appear for 1960-61 and 10205.106184 to 106708 appear for 1961-62 (the overlap being in the last 3 digits). I don’t know whether this number change was purely administrative in nature or if it also signifies some technical or feature changes – i.e. whether it matters or not.

There are some potential documentation issues to be aware of: The standard 2000 Instruction Book (owner’s manual) Pub. Diass. No. 679 and the parts catalog Pub. Diass. No. 728 only cover the 102 Berlina and Spider and contain NO information bout the 102 Sprint. There was a separate instruction book for the 102 Sprint under Pub. Diass. No. 785, which can be found on the CarDisc DVD AR803 (a "must have" for anyone dealing with 102 and 106 cars). The parts catalog probably was updated through addenda (there were at least 2 of them) which are not included on the CarDisc DVD (but copies are available from for about EUR 60 from the Centro Documentazione Alfa Romeo, according to a recent e-mail exchange with them). Unfortunaltely, I do not have copies of the relevant addenda (I was too cheap to shell out the cash for documentation on a model line I do not own just to see what they cover).

That being said, let me make some comments about maintaining the car: The fact that these cars are quite rare does create a little bit of a problem It’s hard to find other owners and compare details about the cars (as in “is this original?” or “what should this look like?”). Body parts are pretty much unobtainium (so, it’s very important for the car to be as complete as possible). The availability of mechanical parts is pretty good for suspension and drive train. Thanks to some components being shared with the 102 Spiders and 106 cars, common parts are available from a number of suppliers. I cannot comment on engine components but I seem to understand that crankshaft and/or rod bearings may be difficult to get. I’m sure somebody more knowledgeable will comment on this specific and possible other 102 part supply issues.

With respect to upholstery, yes, the foam in all 102 and 106 crumbles. You need to find a very good upholsterer that can fit proper foam that is neither too hard nor too soft to give the proper ride comfort and support. Fabric may be hard to get. The only source I would recommend only Matt Jones at ReOriginals (but sourcing the proper fabric may take some time – I’m not sure if they are the same as on some 750-101 Giuliettas).

My last comment is about Borranis: The original size was 165-400 with zero offset (most likely the RW 3582 or RW 3906 listed for 106 cars, but I have no documentation that lists wire wheels for 102 cars). The 106 Sprints have very tight tolerances in the rear wheel wells that make fitting other tires or wheels difficult. I know the wire wheels increase the track by 1-1/4 inches at each wheel. Therefore, there is considerable risk that wire wheels may not fit properly on 102 Sprints. I would not buy used wire wheels. There’s too much hassle to fix them up. If you absolutely want period correct wire wheels, buy new ones from Borrani (about EUR 8,000 for a set) but I recommend you stay with the standard steel wheels.
 

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Wow. Thank you

Tubut - thank you so very much. More than I had hoped for.
Do you know where I might be able to get a copy of the magazine article you showed in the picture? I have searched high and low for content on the 2000 and so far have found almost nothing online. I will get a copy of the DVD you mention too.

D&SW - I'm based in England - West London

Red Merlin - again, thank you for your thoughts. I'm sure I will need plenty more over the coming months as I begin to settle down with the car.

Very exciting to have found you guys. Thank you.
 

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I have an original instruction book for the 2000 sprint. So if you are interested.

Furthermore I know that lots of parts of an early 2600 sprint fits on a 2000 sprint. Most of the chrome parts and als interior parts. I have tons of spares for 2600 sprint, so maybe I can help you with something.

It is maybe smart to let us forum members know where you are living. I live in The Netherlands, so pretty far away, or maybe very close by? In the Netherlands I know of at least 3 cars in driving condition.
 

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Do you know where I might be able to get a copy of the magazine article you showed in the picture?
I bought it on eBay Italy a few years ago (for about EUR 40, which I had to pay twice because the seller never received the registered letter with the first payment). Contact me me via e-mail (not PM) and I'll either e-mail you (or, depending on size, send you a link to download) pictures of the article in the magazine which contains mostly press pictures and a couple of drawings from the owners manual. You can then make a decision if you want to chase down a printed copy.
 

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Schaapm, Thank you.

I'd love to see the original book you have. Are you looking to sell it?
I haven't yet picked up the car, so I'm not exactly sure of what parts I'll look to collect first. I do know I'll be wanting to re-stuff the seats and think about fitting period wing-mirrors - it doesnt have any fitted yet, so I'll have to see how I get on before I get any.

Thank you for the offer. I'm sure i'll be in touch for a few things soon enough.
 

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Redmerlin,

Thanks for the guidance on prices.

The prices I'm finding for Sprints across UK/EU are between £7k to £15k with one or two 2000 Sprints that seem in very good order (restored or original but excellent condition) advertised at a max £16-17k (GBP). I know of one excellent one that just sold for £15k (GBP)

There's also a 2000 Spider advertised at £55k (GBP) in Denmark?!
 

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Hope that you will get the deal done.
In Belgian is there a gay that produce body parts for the 102 and 106 series spiders and coupes.
generally most parts is available, but it can be necessary with a little search.
But, any question that you raise, can probably be answered by the knowledgably series persons in this forum.
Good Luck
for info tray these
The Gallery Brummen - Meer dan alleen auto's

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/fin...er=10002&whatbutton.x=0&page=0&lCarID=1753513

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/fin...er=10002&whatbutton.x=0&page=0&lCarID=1752339
 

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Hope that you will get the deal done.
In Belgian is there a gay that produce body parts for the 102 and 106 series spiders and coupes.
Thank you, do you have the contact details of the guy in Belgium?
 

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a very nice car...presents very well. Unless there's some major hidden problem, a very fair value.

David
 
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