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Craig,

I have imported 100's of cars and was a certified ADR Engineer... I started importing cars from UK in1982 and I was importing cars back in 1989 when they introduced the new legislation so I know exactly what is needed. The import approval and shipping is trivial paperwork. (and BTW- you would never ship a car RORO)

It's all about asbestos now. They won't let anything in that they even think MIGHT contain asbestos. These 105's could contain asbestos in the exhaust heat shields, exhaust gaskets, and even the head gasket. Let alone clutch and brake pads!!

Go and revisit the customs site for the latest. It has cost people 10,000's $$ in inspection fees, holding fees, mechanics fees only to get told that they will never see their car again.... Most recently, I know of someone that shipped a 105 coupe from Australia to England for a Vintage Rally and the Nanny State wouldn't let it back into Australia!!!
Good to know - things must have changed. I had a quick read, that would suggest that no classic cars are getting in at all. Zero. Is that the case? I’m surprised the media hasn’t pounced (perhaps they did and I didn’t notice). I guess that just made our cars that much more valuable

When I brought my car in from the uk in 2008 it was a trivial exercise, filling out forms and meeting legislative requirements. It was steam cleaned on the way out and I was charged for cleaning on the way in too (although it was obviously not done as it was still covered highland mud)

I wouldn’t use RORO either.
 

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... if it's an early 90's or even late 80's car... chances are good to get it in. As these modern cars should not contain any nasty stuff.

Anything earlier, there's a good chance that EVERY car will contain some traces of asbestos.

As we know, most products manufactured today (in first world countries) are asbestos free. You would need to show that before importing that you have either:
1) have done total testing by their nominated labs at origin to show it is free and submit certificate with your customs paperwork
2) replace clutch, head gasket, heat shields, brake pads, exhaust gaskets in country of origin and present all the receipts for the new parts and labour
 

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The crazy thing is that asbestos is essentially harmless unless you turn it into splinters and dust, in a relatively confined space. The infinitesimal amount of asbestos distributed by an old car is next to zip. Worse, removing anything with asbestos means it’s headed back into an uncontrolled space. Or, are they going to require certified hazmat disposal?

There are tons of old houses with asbestos siding. The regulatory agencies have long understood that if you just leave it alone, you’re good. Start breaking it up and moving it, problem.
 

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Salvage title will probably hold it back which could make it a good buy for someone who understands that the cost to repair one of these vs the value a few years ago would make salvage titles pretty common for moderate damage like the fire this car had. Wonder what started the fire. I know of one that started when the wiring to the courtesy light by the rear speakers shorted and wasn't on a fused circuit. Luckily it was caught when it was just smoke.
 

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You can't always get what you want but if you try, sometimes, you get what you need.

Perhaps not such a bargain. The buyer says:

As a follow up to the sale, or rather non-sale of this car, the owner has refused to honor the auction price after a couple of weeks of contemplation on his part. He says that I can have it for $60k which is what he feels that he can get for it locally. Of course I declined as I would be deeply underwater. I offered him a sweetener of $5k if the extra engine turned out to be as remarkable as it sounds but that offer went nowhere.

In regards to BAT, they did respond after a couple of days but the note went into my junk folder. The upshot is that they will ban the seller from the site (at least under that email address). Part of their response is as follows:

“Thank you for the update. As part of listing the car on BaT the seller agreed to the Make Whole program, in which we may kick in part of our fee to complete the reserve. The seller approved the listing with a $30k reserve, $1k of which is coming from us once the transaction completes. This is explained to the sellers ahead of time and we don’t move forward without their agreement. We’re sorry you’ve come up against this delay. Please keep us in the loop on your contact with the seller. Let us know if there are any other questions.”

The bottom line is that auctions are a moral contract, and enforcing an agreement to sell is financially prohibitive. And I don’t know if the BAT agreement is even written in such a way that a person could pursue legal redress. Likely not.

Mark
 

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Here is a nice Red one that just popped up for sale down in Oz.

Some modifications made, nothing that can't be undone!

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Alfa-Romeo-Montreal-1974/SSE-AD-5876254/?Cr=20

That's a big price tag ..... (no connections to this sale)...

Cheers.
..... not sure it's a $190K car..... you have to look at the global price average (price of cars sold- not advertised price), and you can buy as good or better across Europe for a lot less.
 

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Its a nice car and it is 1 of 104 RHD cars built. That's RARE. But just looking at the pictures, here is what I found...
1) No Alfa Romeo Badge on the Rear 2) Wrong Alfa Romeo Badge on the nose, does not have "Milano" in it 3) A Red painted Front Spoiler and something does not look right, the Rear is too low.
If you are asking that sort of money, nothing wrong with that, but the car will need to be perfect.
Plus there are no pictures of the Luggage Compartment or the underside of the car details. Just my humble opinion....
 

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Don't get me wrong please, and I know that my next comment will probably start up a small fire storm!
The price of Alfa Romeo Montreal's is going to rise. I will not be surprised to see cars being offered for somewhere in the mid 200's soon.
Just think, from the amount of time and money being put into a number of cars undergoing restoration that we have seen on this forum, who will accept a big loss after completing a perfect car?
 

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Glad mine is still original. NO RUST!! Tried to get my insurance company to value it a 125K, but they only went up to 85K.
Restoring one must cost a big chunk of change.
But this one is not worth 180K!
 

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you could be right....

Don't get me wrong please, and I know that my next comment will probably start up a small fire storm!
The price of Alfa Romeo Montreal's is going to rise. I will not be surprised to see cars being offered for somewhere in the mid 200's soon.
Just think, from the amount of time and money being put into a number of cars undergoing restoration that we have seen on this forum, who will accept a big loss after completing a perfect car?
Its a familiar car forum topic, "is my xxxx going up in value"? I'm a latecomer in Monty ownership (in UK), and bought my totally rebuilt and upgraded (by Alfaholics) 74 car just 4 months ago. Everybody said, oh theyve got really expensive now, youve missed the boat etc.....Anyway if you want a really good car, and not a quick route to bankruptcy, its always best to pay top $, thats my motto, so I did. Youre talking well over $100k.
Oh, and as for time and money being put into cars, this one was done 7 years ago and about $95k was spent. I guess that would be at least 25% more now?
Could values double, I'm not sure, but anything is possible.
I suppose you only have to look at another not so dissimilar Gandini car and see where values are there; yes of course the Miura.
But hey we dont buy old exotic old Italian cars to make money surely?
 

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Why are the Orange one always seem to have a higher value? See this on European sites all the time.
 
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