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My '76 Spider died a few blocks from home; I took it to the local Alfa shop and was told that the oil level was very high, and most of the extra was gasoline that had leaked from the SPICA. I was further told that the two possibilities are: 1) buy a set of Webers, or 2) get in line to have Wes Ingram repair the SPICA.

I'm told it might be 3-4 months before the injector is repaired, but frankly, I'd rather stick with it than install dual side drafts. Has anybody sent their SPICA in for rebuilding recently? How much did it cost? Was the wait really 3-4 months?

Any advice would be welcomed.
 

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The wait and price to keep the Spica is worth it. I thought he usually had ready-to-go exchange units.

His website should answer your questions.
 
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Having finally ordered a rebuilt Pump from Wes after waiting nearly 15 years......I would highly recommend it. My car purrs like a kitten, and runs better than ever. You will be shocked how well it will run. In my case, I find that the car has much more power than ever before.
I highly suspect that if your pump is that worn, that you are running extremely rich, having trouble starting, fouling plugs, and generally have a Spica setup with so many tweaks on mixture to "kind of get it running ok" that your car is not running right.
As a personal note, I never trust any non specialised mechanic with respect to my Spica. I would highly recommend that you look through Roadtrip's troubleshooting guide to confirm that your pump is past due. It;s a short process if your pump is truly bad.
Good luck!
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Having finally ordered a rebuilt Pump from Wes after waiting nearly 15 years......I would highly recommend it. My car purrs like a kitten, and runs better than ever. You will be shocked how well it will run. In my case, I find that the car has much more power than ever before.
I highly suspect that if your pump is that worn, that you are running extremely rich, having trouble starting, fouling plugs, and generally have a Spica setup with so many tweaks on mixture to "kind of get it running ok" that your car is not running right.
As a personal note, I never trust any non specialised mechanic with respect to my Spica. I would highly recommend that you look through Roadtrip's troubleshooting guide to confirm that your pump is past due. It;s a short process if your pump is truly bad.
Good luck!
Franco

If there is gasoline in the oil sump, as is the case here, the injection pump is shot and needs to be rebuilt.
 

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Thanks to all. I'm fortunate in that my mechanic is knowledgeable about Alfas. His shop specializes in them. My tow truck driver told me I'd get an AAA discount if I went to a local place, but I didn't even consider that!
 

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I sent my 77 spider pump to Wes for rebuild a few weeks ago and it will take approximately 6 months. I am getting the HP6000 pump for a future cam upgrade, not sure if that makes a difference in rebuild time. I doubt it.
Wes is a very enjoyable and knowledgeable person to talk to. We have talked a couple of times and I always make sure I have something to take notes with!

Here is my old fuel-filled pump (I cleaned and drained it obviously) prior to mailing:
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I got in line for a pump last week. Current wait time quoted as 7 months.
 

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I went through this drill about a year ago... The wait is extended as it is what it is. Unfortunately it is not like an exchange like brake calipers. The decision was easy and confirmation on the gas oil mix in the sump is easy to verify by getting a FREE test kit from Blackstone laboratories, In I think the test is like $24 ( They are difficult to find on the web)..


My gas was over 5% and TOO much.. Cheap and fast .. In a week you have your results.. Wes's price is firmly quoted. I added a NEW T/A which is almost a given and injectors which puts you closer to $2150 with all the extras he throws on. . Add $850 to install by a pro (all day job) and it was DONE. The change out is a PITA for a first timer and last timer for me and I made up my mind to have an expert do it and the living experts are hard to find..I wasn't going to do it not after investing over 2 grand in something I might never get right. . Period....and I'm' pretty handy... The results were worth every penny. .Dropped off the car on Thursday and picked it up on Monday...PS Wes can get you a littel faster through the queue if you pester him ,, Mine worked out great because i didn't GAS about whether I had the same pump or not. I drove into the shop on my pump with a new pump in hand and I sent my pump back to him never to be seen again. .All said and done it was 3 grand and I never broke a sweat or had to read pages of his dissertation on the do's and don't of removing and installing.and cussing all the way.
 

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I removed the sick Spica pump from my Alfa in 2012, I had Webers doing nothing in the basement. I eventually got fed up fiddling with idle and other adjustments. Wes and Herb attended the 2017 convention in Montreal; I had an interesting discussion with them and decided on the spot to send my pump for overhaul. Wes indicated a fairly long waiting list, but my pump was back faster than expected. Last year got sidetracked playing with a GTV6, and I've only started running the car with the pump a few weeks ago. The car runs beautifully, idle is a stable 650 rpm, and fuel mileage jumped up about 20%.
 

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Wes and Herb are great. They built my motor and the pump. it was worth the wait.
Pictures are my motor in the shop.


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I cannot find the words to explain what a pain in the *** changing the injection pump is. Nothing major just one little impediment after the other. I highly recommend buying a four post lift. Otherwise it is jack it up, let it down, jack it up, let it down as you need to access the top and then the bottom. In fact I would not do any serious work on a Spider without a lift.
 

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I think I said it was worth every penny to have someone who knew what they were doing do it. Not worth a 4 poster investment to just change a pump.
 

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I find it’s easier and cheaper to just be tall. And have a few special tools
 

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Ah, but what did I say "I would not do any serious work on a Spider without a lift."

Being tall is no help when you are on your back under a car. Other than your feet sticking out which will enable your friends to find you when you get stuck.
 

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My point being I can lift my car on stands or ramps, and still work from the top down in the engine bay or elsewhere.

Not arguing against a lift. I nearly bought one, but it would have rendered my shop from a two to one car.
 
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I don't see why you lift your car to replace the Spica pump. I reinstalled mine this Spring without lifting the car.

it would have rendered my shop from a two to one car.
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No need to jack it up and down, raise it up, employ a step stool.


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I’ve got a lift and still use a 12’ ladder when I get tired of moving the lift up and down.


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