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Hi All,

For some reason I have started liking the look of the single headlight smooth nose GT jr's. I seems that I may be the only one since there are hints that is the least loved variant.
Anyways, I think that they were made in '72-'73 and were not sold in the US. What is the correct story on that?

Thanks all!
Jon
 

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I assume they made the smooth nose LHD 1300 GTj from 1971 up to 1975 and the RHD 1300 GTj from 1971 to 1972.
The LHD 1600 GTj was made from 1972 to 1975 while the RHD 1600 GTj from 1972 to 1976 as per those listed on https://www.classicalfaromeoregistry.com/type-105-giulias/gt.

The 1972 RHD 1300 GTj had a very low production number: only 400 were made.
The register shows the surviving cars being sent to the UK, Europe, Australia, South Africa and Malaysia.
 

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Hi All,

For some reason I have started liking the look of the single headlight smooth nose GT jr's. I seems that I may be the only one since there are hints that is the least loved variant.
Anyways, I think that they were made in '72-'73 and were not sold in the US. What is the correct story on that?

Thanks all!
Jon
Good question. Yes, not sold in USA but a few sold nearby in Canada which is where many GTj's found in the US came from.

I think you are talking about 1300 GTj. I am not sure of the build years or model years but think they were 1970 and 1971, in the years before the so called unification models appeared which is coincident with the 2 liter GTV.

And I agree with you that those juniors look awesome in their own way especially if rolling on 6 or 7 inch wide Millia Miglias and 60 series tires.

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I assume they made the smooth nose LHD 1300 GTj from 1971 up to 1974 and the RHD 1300 GTj from 1971 to 1972.
The LHD 1600 GTj was made from 1972 to 1973 while the RHD 1600 GTj from 1972 to 1974 as per those listed on https://www.classicalfaromeoregistry.com/type-105-giulias/gt.

The 1972 RHD 1300 GTj had a very low production number: only 400 were made.
The register shows the surviving cars being sent to the UK, Europe, Australia, South Africa and Malaysia.
Hey Steve, have I not listed my 1975 built 1976 1600 Gtj on the registry? I thought I had. Can you check again, please.

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Hey Steve, have I not listed my 1975 built 1976 1600 Gtj on the registry? I thought I had. Can you check again, please.

Ken
Hi Ken,
I may have quickly read the list, there are actually more 1600 cars listed with 1975 and 1976 build dates, see the end of the register file as they are not all in their expected groups. Your car is there.
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Good question. Yes, not sold in USA but a few sold nearby in Canada which is where many GTj's found in the US came from.

I think you are talking about 1300 GTj. I am not sure of the build years or model years but think they were 1970 and 1971, in the years before the so called unification models appeared which is coincident with the 2 liter GTV.

And I agree with you that those juniors look awesome in their own way especially if rolling on 6 or 7 inch wide Millia Miglias and 60 series tires.

Ciao

Ken
I think that you are right about both the year and the engine size. The picture is described as a '71.
Good grief, that is a good looking car!
I suppose that it might be for the best that they aren't found in the US. Who knows what I would do if I found one and it followed me home...

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Lovely and clean shape

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Hi All,

For some reason I have started liking the look of the single headlight smooth nose GT jr's. I seems that I may be the only one since there are hints that is the least loved variant.
Anyways, I think that they were made in '72-'73 and were not sold in the US. What is the correct story on that?

Thanks all!
Jon
I've been liking the look for quite some time now.
 

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Yes they were built in RHD.
I have a RHD 1300 GTj (1972 according to the factory records: Fusi lists it as a 1971 car) it was built for the UK market, it was privately imported into Australia in 1974 and it was listed as a 1971 car for registration in NSW. In 1971/72 there were Alfa factory wage negotiations at Arese that resulted in unrest and strikes and some cars were damaged by workers protesting in the attempt to get them to the rest of Europe and the UK, via trucks and rail. So confusion in date is a possibility.

In 1972 all cars built from 1972 on wards could only be imported into Australia(NSW) if they had a head rest/s.
The 1750 GTV S2 and 2L GTV did and so did the 1600 GTj.

The 1972 RHD 1300GTj did not have any head rests so thats why you didn't see any 1972 RHD 1300 GTj in Australia in 1972.
As to why there are not many 1971 RHD 1300 GTj? even thou there is one RHD 1971 GTj 1300 listed in the register with an Australian delivery. The 71/72 RHD 1300 GTj had many body panels in common with the S2 1750GTV and 2LGTV (even floors). I think that the shortage of NOS body parts in the RHD markets led people to harvest wrecked cars and later cars with mechanical issues but with good body work for their panels to keep the more popular S1/S2 1750 GTVs and 2L GTVs going.

I think by 1972 Alfa ran the importation of cars into Australia, so they were probably not going to risk sending 1972 cars that would have to be modified with new seats with headrests or worse having to send them back.

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Pretty bad on Alfa Romeos part that they were still selling cars in 1972 with out life, and whiplash, saving head rests.

I'm not a safety nanny but headrests and dual circuit brakes were a major step forward, without any "you are not really controlling your car and a computer is" negatives.
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I’ve got a RHD 1971 1300 GTjunior.
It was imported in Nairobi initially so RHD but the speedo is in km/h

I love the clean lines up front, I did gave spots on it like the above car. But removed them to clean the lines, removed the horizontal grill chrome lines, and made the indicators white Lens, all to clean it up. On and shrink the front plate.

The head went 2 years ago, causing piston and head damage. BUT as it’s a 1300, such a revvy lil engine, I could have taken the easy route and stuffed in a 2.0, but I wanted to keep it origenal and the rarer 1300.

It breaths better now after a lot of work. 125bhp now.

It wears different wheels, depending on my mood.
 

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I drove a RHD 1600 GT Jr in South Africa last year; SA built I believe. I can post a pic Monday.
No Juniors of any type sold in the US. The last 1300 sold in the US was the Giulietta in 61/62.
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With the popularity (demand) in combination with the lack of supply of some step nose cars, the smooth nose 1300 GTj and 1600 GTj will become even more sort after. The GTjs have also been used to make copies of 1750 GTVs and GTV 2L in the past.

The available kit of parts on the market today to backdate the smooth nose look to the step nose look, may result in even fewer smooth nose GTj cars will remain as original.
 

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Nice! I personal prefer the step nose, but depending on the colour and grill, a smooth nose can be very desirable. Verde olive might just be the best colour on a smooth nose for me!

A fair bit from the US though:laugh:
 

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Cool, you learn something every day.

Side comment, back around 1981-2 when I was in England some contacts I made had a smooth nose Junior (series 3) that they converted to a GTV look by adding the 4-headlight mounts and a 1750 grille. Of course then you could buy those parts new from Alfa. I always assumed it was a 1600, but maybe it was a 1300. Who knows.
 

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The 1600 GTj is listed under FIA 5480 page 15 shows in 1974 the 1600 GTj had a 2L GTV interior and 4 head lights and grill with small tail lights.
The 1300 GTj is listed under FIA 5148 page 31 shows in 1974 the 1300 GTj had a 2L interior and 4 head lights and grill; with a 2L GTV grill or a 1750 GTV grill (photo is not clear) with small tail lights.

The 1300 GTj had 1750 GTV wheels and hubcaps up to 22nd April 1972. From 23rd April 1972 on wards they had 2L GTV wheels and hubcaps. So it's possible they could have used a 1300 GTj up to 22nd April 1972 to make the car appear like a 1750 GTV.
 
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