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Hi guys,
I've been reading many of your threads, thanks to all, for the information.
But with some things, I can't agree. Here are some people fighting, for originality of cars, cause, they are earning money with them, others for the pure love of these cars. Isn't it crazy?
Since the 60. there were reproductions of old cars. First the started with Bugattis, than Alfas, Maseratis, Mercedes, Ferraris etc. From around 500 racing Ferraris, there are still missing, maybe 10.
England has the biggest racing car manufactory, cause they raced, modified and reproduced cars, for historic racing. You can build today, a new Bentley, you even get FIA papers for it. Rodney Felton, was one of the biggest Alfa collectors, but there are doubts, that his cars have ever seen the factory. Today are existing more than 3 times racing Bugattis, you can find around 50 Mercedes SSK and so on. I saw people with the book from Mr. de Boer, looking for cars, that were disappeared and recreating them, cause with his work, he made it easier, for the Crooks. David Piper a well known racing driver, recreated several Ferraris, how many cars came from Pierre Bardinon, Corrado Cuppelini etc. Albert Obrist, had a tremendous Ferrari Collection, all cars in perfect condition, with everything new. Are they still original? Most of the Tipo 33, of Peter Kauss, were recreated in Germany.
...and I think its good. Without all this people, we would never see this cars again. Locked up in private collections. No more historic racing, only massproduced cars.
Racing was all the time very expensive. It costs a lot to all the italien makes, to sell there cars, cause they were very expensive. Only a few people had really the money. There was no market and to many cars.
Today its changed, there are lots of people, who have the money and its chic to do historic racing, expositions and rallyes Even Hedgefounds, are investing money in old cars. But there are not enough of them. Try to buy today a Fiat based sportscar. They can participade in the MM and for this, they are really expensive.
The problem is, for real car lovers and most of us, we don't have the money to buy one. We can only dream, remember the old days and collect pictures.
Some could buy continuation cars and if you have money, you could race them.
I remember 25 Years ago, there was no Alfa TZ-1 for sale in Europe. I tried to find an SZ, but there was none. My first real Ferrari SWB, I saw in 82, some were in Italy and some in England and the rest of Europe.
I lived around the corner of Wolfgang Seidel, a famous Ferrari driver, I never saw a car of him
I think its better today, there are most of the historic cars, you can see, hear and touch them. Some are 100 % fakes, some only 85 %, maybe some are real, but its hard to believe.
For me its sad to see, the condition, of the last remaining Alfa 412, or the 8C 2900 in the Muhlhouse museum, its sad to see, that some cars, we never will see again, cause they are hidden in private collections. For me its sad to see, that they splitted up the Rosso-Bianco Collection. Maybe they should allthough sell the Louvre art collection. Many collectors, will be happy, but its sad for humanity.
So, if you could race with fake Bugattis, Bentleys, Mercedes, Ferraris, Mc Larens, Lolas, Ford GT40s and so on, why not with an Alfa Romeo???
Let the car dealers fight for originality, cause they want to earn more money and money corrupted all.
I'm glad to see, the 8C 2900 B #412.021 again, but somebody will tell me something is real, apart the chassisnumber?
Lets save and honour the history of cars, but let enjoy us around the world, that they are still going strong.
Greetings
Jörg
I've been reading many of your threads, thanks to all, for the information.
But with some things, I can't agree. Here are some people fighting, for originality of cars, cause, they are earning money with them, others for the pure love of these cars. Isn't it crazy?
Since the 60. there were reproductions of old cars. First the started with Bugattis, than Alfas, Maseratis, Mercedes, Ferraris etc. From around 500 racing Ferraris, there are still missing, maybe 10.
England has the biggest racing car manufactory, cause they raced, modified and reproduced cars, for historic racing. You can build today, a new Bentley, you even get FIA papers for it. Rodney Felton, was one of the biggest Alfa collectors, but there are doubts, that his cars have ever seen the factory. Today are existing more than 3 times racing Bugattis, you can find around 50 Mercedes SSK and so on. I saw people with the book from Mr. de Boer, looking for cars, that were disappeared and recreating them, cause with his work, he made it easier, for the Crooks. David Piper a well known racing driver, recreated several Ferraris, how many cars came from Pierre Bardinon, Corrado Cuppelini etc. Albert Obrist, had a tremendous Ferrari Collection, all cars in perfect condition, with everything new. Are they still original? Most of the Tipo 33, of Peter Kauss, were recreated in Germany.
...and I think its good. Without all this people, we would never see this cars again. Locked up in private collections. No more historic racing, only massproduced cars.
Racing was all the time very expensive. It costs a lot to all the italien makes, to sell there cars, cause they were very expensive. Only a few people had really the money. There was no market and to many cars.
Today its changed, there are lots of people, who have the money and its chic to do historic racing, expositions and rallyes Even Hedgefounds, are investing money in old cars. But there are not enough of them. Try to buy today a Fiat based sportscar. They can participade in the MM and for this, they are really expensive.
The problem is, for real car lovers and most of us, we don't have the money to buy one. We can only dream, remember the old days and collect pictures.
Some could buy continuation cars and if you have money, you could race them.
I remember 25 Years ago, there was no Alfa TZ-1 for sale in Europe. I tried to find an SZ, but there was none. My first real Ferrari SWB, I saw in 82, some were in Italy and some in England and the rest of Europe.
I lived around the corner of Wolfgang Seidel, a famous Ferrari driver, I never saw a car of him
I think its better today, there are most of the historic cars, you can see, hear and touch them. Some are 100 % fakes, some only 85 %, maybe some are real, but its hard to believe.
For me its sad to see, the condition, of the last remaining Alfa 412, or the 8C 2900 in the Muhlhouse museum, its sad to see, that some cars, we never will see again, cause they are hidden in private collections. For me its sad to see, that they splitted up the Rosso-Bianco Collection. Maybe they should allthough sell the Louvre art collection. Many collectors, will be happy, but its sad for humanity.
So, if you could race with fake Bugattis, Bentleys, Mercedes, Ferraris, Mc Larens, Lolas, Ford GT40s and so on, why not with an Alfa Romeo???
Let the car dealers fight for originality, cause they want to earn more money and money corrupted all.
I'm glad to see, the 8C 2900 B #412.021 again, but somebody will tell me something is real, apart the chassisnumber?
Lets save and honour the history of cars, but let enjoy us around the world, that they are still going strong.
Greetings
Jörg