Neither: 5336 cars produced in 8 years...You are right it. Masses was a poor choice of words..Will you accept mass produced?
That car belonged to a viva-lancia.com forum user. When the coachwork made that mess he decided to sell it. The beige should have been Ivory...Ask and you shall receive, a two-tone yellow(ish) PF Flaminia coupe:
http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=237883386&cd=635143197720000000&asrc=st|fs
No idea if this coupe is original...
I surrender.. I can't help it if they were slowNeither: 5336 cars produced in 8 years...
The implication being that it would be OK to re-color a Picasso print, but not a Picasso painting ?The point remains this is a series production model--not analogous to a unique painting.
If we're discussion his late work, as far as I'm concerned you can use most Picasso prints to wrap fish. But that's a different argument.The implication being that it would be OK to re-color a Picasso print, but not a Picasso painting ?
Fortunately Dr. Simeone offers the appropriate prescriptions: Coachbuilt Press | The Stewardship of Historically Important Automobiles
But in this particular case, I think a tasteful and thoughtfully-chosen variation led to a more attractive car, that brought more money, that will encourage the preservation and appropriate restoration of more of its type. All good.
But that stray pipe wrench depicted in the tool kit still makes me cringe . . .
Sorry Ed, but for the same reason you 'ld repaint your Fulvia in Pink?The point remains this is a series production model--not analogous to a unique painting.
better ask for a snorkelSorry Ed, but for the same reason you 'ld repaint your Fulvia in Pink?
The fact i always say that i'm a taleban (jocking with myself of course), implicates that we're talking about the originality here. To accept a wrong colour today (many said this car it's better painted in a two-tone scheme) it means to accept a different detail tomorrow (many would say: it's a contemporary detail!). Because a lack of memory, the distance from the brink is very short. What Don suggested about the Simeone's way of thinking is true, otherwise the FIVA would not have proposed the Turin chart in 2006, which was ratified by all the International organizations in Stuttgart last November. The main task for a collector is to preserve and to maintain a vintage car for the posterity as like as a masterpiece of art (1964 Venice chart) and its value doesn't make the difference.
Eventually, i'm surprised that so many auction houses, unlike how they operate in other sale departments, don't accept this assumption.
Sorry, Paolo, but have you actually read the book, or spoken with Fred Simeone himself?What Don suggested about the Simeone's way of thinking is true, ...
I'm quite familiar with the Turin Charter, and it's absolutely not that absolute.The main task for a collector is to preserve and to maintain a vintage car for the posterity as like as a masterpiece of art .
I don't see the connection to a paint scheme on a Lancia coupe.... Isn't it how this started? So what made the SIATA so bogus? the color? I know the seller. He hasn't got a "Madoff" bone in his body.Unfortunately Ed, i didn't meet Simeone. I watched some Jay Leno's interview, i saw his website and i read what he wrote through that link.
I'm not here looking for recruits for my sect, nor i want to establish universal rules, i'm just warning anyone who reads this forum that the reality is often different from how it appears at the first sight. Who reads this forum sometimes seeks advice, sometimes answers, sometimes consensus. Too bad that all the passion that many of us put in writing on this forum, for many others it means a lot of money only. And this is the case of people trying to sell fake cars, we know who they are, trying to sell a car falsifying its history, we have seen enough , trying to sell replicas passing them off as originals, or people who say : " Hey guys look how beautiful my car is, i know i restored it not properly, but i never sell it ! " . Six months later you'll find the sale adv on the web or is picture on an auction catalogue (do you remember the yellow/black Siata?) And here is the problem : too much money revolves around this sector and being involved many people, some of them need to remain high the attention because the flow of money in circulation stay high. On other forums, such as Ferrarichat.com, far back someone said we are in front of a speculative bubble and i think that we don't need a "Madoff" in this area. I 'm not a collector, nor a seller, but only a poor historian of a brand that has now disappeared. I have no other chance than to continue my battle alone , that others like it or not.
I've spent a lot of time dealing with fakes, including writing to auction houses, car magazines, and prospective buyers to let them know that one or another Lancia is not what it appears to be. Sometimes people listen; other times they do not. Either way, I have less than no patience for falsified history; I am an absolutist on this subject.... Too bad that all the passion that many of us put in writing on this forum, for many others it means a lot of money only. And this is the case of people trying to sell fake cars, we know who they are, trying to sell a car falsifying its history, we have seen enough , trying to sell replicas passing them off as originals, or people who say : " Hey guys look how beautiful my car is, i know i restored it not properly, but i never sell it ! " . ...