I thought it was just about right, I mean, most the trouble in getting the transmission rebuilt is removal and reinstallation, since you'd have to do that to ship the tranny to them, seems the hard parts are over. The gear lightnening was the cheap part, Performatek charges $100 for 1rst gear and $75 for the rest of them. You need diamond plate drill bits to get through hardened steel.To me it does, at least the labor price.
Yup, they've lightened gears before, he done mine. I called Performatek first, but realizing they don't balance the gears, which was explained to me as unneccessary, I went and looked else where. It would seem when you say "Alfa Romeo" there is already a $200 hike in price, but not with this guy. He doesn't undercut, but then again there is only 3 gears Performatek will undercut (1rst, 2nd and 5th on the layshaft). $ to $ he seemed alright and done the job for $450 for all 9 gears. I rebuilt my own tranny, I didn't know about him just then...sounds too cheap to me . . .
$150 . . . what is that, 2 or 3 hours total of labor. what all can they do in that short time ?
$50 each to lighten the gears . . . have they ever done it to super hard Alfa gears before ? need expensive cutting tools, and then cut slowly.
The roller bearings in them are quite beefy, it is the gear bushings themselves that I'd worry about, but those aren't expensive, dog rings impossible to find new-you'd have to buy new gears to get those or salvage some "good" used ones. I got my tranny dismantled in just an hour, waited for parts and reassembled in an hour. So you're only talking 2 hours (I had a hydraulic press for reassembly) which some/most shops charge $75-100/hour for labor. My tranny bushing was out and in within 5 minutes with the press-something to think about, we may be getting screwed by some places...then again, he didn't put mine together, but he had lencos, rock crushers, ford and chevy trannys all over his shop, he seemed to know the up and up...That's way too cheap.
Alfa gearboxes, while not especially complex, have a few unique characteristics that would make me want an Alfa specialist to handle.
$400 + parts is normal for a standard rebuild. Parts can run between a couple hundred to upwards of $1000 if a lot of the bearings in the gear box are trashed.
That's one way to look at it.we may be getting screwed by some places...
Ah, so you would say the price determines quality? I'm not sure, wish I would've used him to rebuild my tranny to just to know for sure. I'm not a specialist, but I can tell you I know a bad dog ring from a good one and if I had them laying on a shelf (good ones), it'd make myself wonder where I got them from to have laying around to begin with. Copy and paste of the email from him. Yes, my tranny is together and he did do a good job on the cross drilling...That's one way to look at it.
Another way to think about it is that, quite simply, some people's tranny rebuilds work better than others. The same is true for engines. And they have a right to charge a premium for their experience and known good results.
The dog ring issue is just one of the things that commonly comes up in a rebuild. An Alfa specialist that rebuilds a lot of trannys is going to have a selection of good used dog gears sitting on their shelf, ready to install. And, they can quickly tell if a dog ring is OK to re-use or not. That bit of experience gets you a better end result.
I know I am perfectly capable of rebuilding a transmission, and have all the tools and parts at my disposal. But, if I needed one for my car it would be done by Rex Chalmers or Karen Dale McGowan.
Just my 40 lira.
I didn't get any really good answers, most answers ended with a question (minus Joe Cabs, which ended with a $$$ to do a good job type of response-then again, that was with the tranny being trashed and again, this guy doesn't buy the rebuild parts, you do), re-read it.Not sure I understand the point of this thread. You asked a question, got some very sensible answers from guys that very likely have a good deal more experience. and then reputed each of their replies. If you're able to do the job yourself, as you've mentioned you've done in the past, then why not follow that plan again?
Actually, I got the answers I needed. It took me 2 hours to get mine done. Someone replied "2-3 hours, what does that get you"...Also, $1000 or more to get new parts, actually, $1500 is about right for all new synchro sleeves, rings, bushings, seals and quadrants, which is what IAP puts in their rebuilt models that they sell for $1800 (Hmmm, $300 or less for a completely new rebuild in labor). You have to ask questions, if you don't, you get stuck with what "everyone elses charges" for, doesn't seem right. Diamond plated drill bit costs $30 and will last for 5 gears and yet others will charge, you get my point or at least I hope you do.I did read your post, but the point is that this is one case in which you will very likely get what you pay for. An Alfa gearbox, for better or worse, isn't quite the same as the industrial quality boxes you mentioned laying around in that guy's shop. Unless he's done more than a few Alfa's, if he's even done any, you're paying a low price because you're taking a greater risk that the job won't be done right, or that the gearbox won't last. As for not getting any good answers here, what could you possibly expect? None of us know this guy, and that's really all that matters. Ask him how many Alfa gearboxes he's done, ask him about his warranty, ask to speak to another Alfa owner he's done work for, and the like. Why do you need another rebuild, anyway? Gearboxes, Alfa or otherwise, generally aren't regular maintenance items.
Rock crusher was the first one I ever did, so maybe I remember being it hard for that reason The transmissions were for sale, I never said they were back in his shop, just that they were there. The VW bus transmission was my 3rd tranny, not very hard at all, even though it was a transaxle. The point of quality is not very much. If you know how to remove sparkplugs on a GM 2.8L it is very safe to say you are compentent enough to remove them from a twin turbo porsche engine. To say a mechanic's work isn't as reliable because he may not have sufficient experience with a Alfa Transmission is backwards thinking. This attitude may be why we pay so much for parts and services on our cars. I had electrical problems with my Alfa (which is a problem with them along with rust). I had it fixed in half an hour, never having worked on a Alfa. Does that make my work on the car, the water pump, front seal replacement, radiator, thermostat, spark plugs, cap and rotor, sparkplug wires, alternator, door handle, window crank, radio, speakers, convertible top alignment, transmission rebuild, clutch replacement, clutch slave cylinder, rear brakes change, inner tie rod ends replacements unproffesional and not as good of a replacement since I did it as compared to taking it to a shop and being charged $90/hour???? You have experience with this Tifosi, you've rebuilt other transmissions (I did the transmission in my GS550E motorcycle as well, that one was not very hard to do either, Harley Transmissions are particularly easy as well, not sure about maybe a Honda bike or Hayabusa...) tell me why the Alfa would be considered a hard transmission to do? This isn't a rebutal, trying to get past the previous mentioned $200 hike in price when you say Alfa Romeo. In fact the only 2 things I'd ever take my car else where for is 1: Paint job. 2: Convertible top replacement. Engine R+R, transmission, rear end, etc...Not so much, but I do know my limits, I'm not a body man or an upholsterer (though I can do my own seat covers and carpet, just not a top).Dunno, and not overly important to my reality
Thanks for that bit of info. Going back earlier to this post, "What will 1-3 hours of labor get you?". A rear end is a little more complicated than a transmission as you have pinion angles to worry about along with the adjusting and readjusting of the crush sleeve and shimming up the differential for proper alignment. My tranny went back together just as it came out, all shims where the factory placed them and guess what, it put the gears right back where they were to begin with, perfect alignment, no need for marking compound or switching shims around, no crush sleeves to slow you (or rather me in this case) down. When I was in VICA Auto Tech competitions, my time on a rebuild (old parts not new) for a differential was just 20 minutes, however, new parts what have taken at least an hour and a half. So your guy, charges as much as this transmission guy. Being dedicated to one brand, Toyota, I'm willing to bet this guy you're talking about would have no problem doing a Ford or Chevy rear end as well.I guess it depends on what you know about this guy.
Just as an example:
There's a guy who is well known in the Toyota truck community who is a differential guru. He rebuilds Toyota differentials (big thing in 4x4 circles) basically as a hobby. So you send your diff off to him plus parts and he rebuilds it in an extremely meticulous way and gets everything just right and PERFECT and sends it back to you. Depending on how well you know him and what sort of mood he's in this costs $100 - $200 compared to ~$500 at most shops and he does a better job. NOBODY builds a better Toyota diff.
So my point is, it's not entirely impossible but unlikely.
Also, if anybody is interested, that Toyota guy's website is www.gearinstalls.com.
Thank you for that valuable input!No, no trouble at all. He doesn't usually like doing it for clients just because he's not as comfortable as with the Toy stuff but he certainly helps his buddies out with their Dana axles. And you're right - a diff is much more of an art form than a tranny. So much so that he is often unhappy with the way the Toy axles come from the factory....so I agree with you that an Alfa tranny probably doesn't present many surprises to a good tranny specialist. The principles are the same.