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I have an 1983 spider, and need a new engine. I am probably going to find a builder and start from the ground up. Any ideas where to look for a used engine, or are rebuilt engines available anywhere? I have located an complete 1978 Spider in non running condition at my location, but don't know if the engines are interchangable? Thanks for the help.

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Dan:

I did the same thing back in 2003. Same culprit....elevated manhole during road resurfacing. If you shut the motor off immediately, you'll likely be fine. I suppose catching the oil pump would be the worst outcome...other than driving with no oil.

Did you drive it without any oil?

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manhole cover damage...

Yea, that's exactly what happend to me. City was resurfacing roads, and left a manhole protruding from the street surface. Unfortunately, not only did it take out the oil pan, it knocked a chunk about a 8" by 10 " from the back of the engine casing. Engine is toast...


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You should contact the city where it occurred. I got mine covered under their insurance.

Well sounds like you need a block. When I did mine, I knocked a softball size hole into the upper pan, cracked the upper down its length, and cleaved and shattered the lower pan. Just missed the oil pump.

I am trying to think of what you are talking about in the casting and where it came from. Of course the back of the motor is above the cross member so I am kind of wondering about your description. Must have done one hell of a number.

Where are you located? I think you can use a spica block with your ljet head without any issue. Of course you'll have to at least move your head over to the new block. You can source a decent used engine likely from APEDIRECT.COM which is alfa parts exchange in CA. Other sources too. Just depends on what you want to spend, and where you live.

Got a picture of the damage?

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I parted out a Bosch Spider earlier this year and sold the engine for $350. That is probably a realistic price for a good used engine, less the FI stuff and it will be the least expensive way of getting back on the road. You should buy one from someone who is trustworthy or see the engine running.

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I had a manhole cover in downtown Tampa take out the bellhousing on one of my Spiders several years ago. The city was going to stonewall, and my insurance company would have paid (I've got no deductible with American Collectors), but I would have had a claim against my policy, which I didn't want. I found a bellhousing for $25, so in the end all I was out was an afternoon's work, but I was reminded how vulnerable Spiders are to such hazards. My "new" '92 didn't come with a sump guard, but it sure has one now.
 

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Do contact the town and/or contractor. This should be a free fix. You could end up with a free car.
 

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By all means

First, contact the governmental jurisdiction to find out who the contractor was/is, then ask for a "claim for damages" form. File it (Keep a copy!!) with the jurisdiction. Prepare to wait for the reimbursement from the contractor's insurance company.
Contractors are required by the bid specifications to mark or sign for those exposed hazards, or, even better, install asphalt chamfers around the iron rims.
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Mr Hyde is correct. I insure a number of larger paving contractors and see quite a number of these claims.You have a legitimate claim. Also, with municipalities, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Good luck
 

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I've got a whole lower end sitting in the basement from an 86, traded the head to one of my buddies, so depending on where you are located...

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need engine for 83 spider

Hi and thanks for your response. The website has been down for the last few days, and I am just now viewing peoples responses. I am located in Denver, how about you?

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NH so that probably won't work. Oh well. You have Centerline near you maybe they have a used one for cheap.

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Yep, let me second (or third) what others have said. l work for a City's engineering department, and have worked for various local (city and county) governments almost all of my professional career--if you can document where the manhole was, when the damage occurred, and whatever else you can to show that it actually happened (like how low your car sits, etc.) and file a claim, the jurisdiction will likely ship it out to the contractor, etc., etc. until the claim is paid to you. It's a typical thing that happens on a daily basis, and claims like this are regularly built into the overall paving contract contingencies.

Frankly, if you don't file it, the contractor doesn't have any incentive (disincentive, really, through a reduced level of profit via an increase in his insurance premium) to finish the next job more quickly or post the danger better the next time.

I don't mean to diss my own business, but it IS a business; and if you don't receive a decent settlement you should consider talking to the City Council...it's a pain to speak up at a Council meeting sometimes, but it's worth it--it's about good customer service, after all, just like any other business where the customer matters.

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manhole cover damage

Hi, and thanks for everyone encouragement! I will definitely pursue or the contractor or city to pay or the damages.

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Oil Sump Guard

I have seen a number of vendors that sell guards for the oil sump. Are they worth installing ($60-110.) I know from my Rover experience that guards can be very valuable if built/installed correctly.
 

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I have seen a number of vendors that sell guards for the oil sump. Are they worth installing ($60-110.) I know from my Rover experience that guards can be very valuable if built/installed correctly.
It depends. I destroyed my lower sump on railroad tracks. The guard had been flattened some by previous impacts. Bad mounts will also lower the engine. Of course, speed kills. Regardless, I wouldn't drive without one. I got the replacement on ebay for $25. Other variables include the weight in the car and spring condition. Don't forget, spiders nose dive when breaking. I pay a lot more attention to the road now. :D:D
 
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