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i can change the tubes very easy.. i am not useing oem linkage, but red/rose ends..... having troble with my ecotec conversion, engin and tranny in the car, great fit... but i need have my centre ( long ) link to clear the transmission bellhousing,, as the part of the link is mounter to the rear of the car,, the links that go to the arms are next to the crossmember,,..if i put the centre link in that location,, i belive it should fit, without interfearing with the bellhousing the centre link just doesnt go left and right,, it move left to right in a arch.. i can move the outer links to the arms to the rear bolt in area.. sorry, trying to explane this best as i can.. here are some photos
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this , if i install the links to the steering arm to the lower area, it will make ' bump steer ; adjustments easier
 

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easier thought.. can i just exchange steering links location?
 

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I believe arm locations should be the same on the pitman arm and idler arm. Changing the position might change the ratio or the Ackerman. But im not an expert.
 

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I believe arm locations should be the same on the pitman arm and idler arm.
Yes, definitely. If the rods aren't set up symmetrically, the steering is going to be very weird.

Changing the position might change the ratio or the Ackerman.
Yes again. At a minimum, the steering will be much "slower". That is, the wheels will turn through a lesser angle for a given input at the steering wheel and steering effort will be decreased. The steering box may not have enough travel to be able to rotate the pitman arm through a large enough angle to turn the spindles to full lock.

This assumes that I understand what Bianchi2 is proposing to do, which I'm not 100% certain that I do. In his first picture in post #1, it looks like he has already swapped the locations of the center and outer rods in the arms. Right?
 

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I do not see any reason why the centre link (that goes from steering box across to the idler) cannot be in the same place as the links that go out to the wheel hubs, as long as both sides are the same. As you are using rose joints, you would just need longer bolts. Alfa Romeo used different holes/places so they could use ball joints, and to position this centre link to clear their bellhousing, etc.

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not going to work.. i lower the engine ....way down :eek: .... so i must use the rear mounts on the arms for the centre link... just a question.... the 16 mm grade 10.9 bolts will be 4 inchs long..(really they are longer than that.). i just cut off the unneeded threads.. i am sitting the rose joints\ rod end on the un threaded shake part of the bolt...there will be spacer between the rod end and the steering arm.. no way around this.. engine is as far back as i can get it, and as low as i can get it.. raising the engine will not help . the spacer willbe m16 i.d. o.d will be 22 mm steel bush...mo one said an engine conversion
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is a walk in the park.... the thread lenght will be cut to 44 mm
 

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Steering rack in front of engine

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no room. i just well deal with it,, a grade 10,9 bolt for the center link is more than strong enough for a simple left to right motion
 

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but i got the motor and franny low and as far back as i could, with out sitting with the engine in pass. seat.
 
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