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Hello all,

Not that I am complaining (much), but coming to work this morning my car thermometer said it was -22F. Other places farther north in New England were reportedly as low as -40 to -50F.

Even my winter car (Subaru) was making little complaining noises until it warmed up. And leather seats at that temp are like sitting on a piece of hard, cold metal.

On the bright side, I am hoping in two months to waken the Spider from its winter hibernation and getting back on the road, once the salt and snow are gone for good.

And for those of you in warmer climates, no teasing please!

John
 

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No teasing here, but having only Alfas to drive (half truth) and luckily no salt on roads or snow now it is still pretty cold here.

As for half truth I do not like driving my truck unless hauling something and once in awhile we will go in wife's Malibu.

It was 18F this morning and that is to cold for being south of the Mason-Dixon line IMHO.
 

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Hello all,

Not that I am complaining (much), but coming to work this morning my car thermometer said it was -22F. Other places farther north in New England were reportedly as low as -40 to -50F.

Even my winter car (Subaru) was making little complaining noises until it warmed up. And leather seats at that temp are like sitting on a piece of hard, cold metal.

On the bright side, I am hoping in two months to waken the Spider from its winter hibernation and getting back on the road, once the salt and snow are gone for good.

And for those of you in warmer climates, no teasing please!

John
Jeez!
We must be having a warm snap up here in Barre, it was a comfortable -21 this morning.

Thank God for garages! Even though mine isn't heated, it was still +23 inside so I didn't freeze my a$$ off sitting on the seat.
 

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Glad we could send our weather out your way. Always nice to share :D

Wife is out of town, so drove her Forester late last week in our "cold snap." Made so many new and exciting/disturbing noises, after I got home I left it in the garage for 10 minutes and ventured outside to check and make sure it actually had oil in the engine!

When we bought the car, I couldn't talk her into bun warmers, but we do have cloth...it helps.

Hello all,

Not that I am complaining (much), but coming to work this morning my car thermometer said it was -22F. Other places farther north in New England were reportedly as low as -40 to -50F.

Even my winter car (Subaru) was making little complaining noises until it warmed up. And leather seats at that temp are like sitting on a piece of hard, cold metal.

On the bright side, I am hoping in two months to waken the Spider from its winter hibernation and getting back on the road, once the salt and snow are gone for good.

And for those of you in warmer climates, no teasing please!

John
 

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Glad I'm Not There Dept.

The winter I spent in Winnipeg, Manitoba my daily driver was a 101 Spider with a canvas roof. Driving around at 30 below was something else again. "Square" tires often.

49 below F:eek: was the record low that winter and that morning I started it up. Lower rad hose heater and a battery blanket made this possible.

I still claim the record for the coldest start for an Alfa with carbs.:D
 

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Depends on Where Yoiu Live, Here 'Tis

Down here we prefer to use the salt on our margaritas in the summer. It's actually nice Alfa weather the other 6-7 months of the year (now). But 90's and long stretches over 100 kinda take the electrolytes out of you.
 

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Calling Al Gore...

Well, today was better, "only" -6 and snowing.

Darn, Al Gore let me down again, and it is supposed to be a loonnggg winter, too.

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Hey John............ I'm an old Alfa nut formerly from Barre. Have we met before?

Well now, minus 22º is not so bad. I remember -33º one time on my way from Barre down to Vermont Tech in my old Saab 3000. Believe it or not, I got it started that morning with no extra heat. Leather seats? Be thankful they were not plastic. I broke the seats in my old `71 Berlina when we lived in Iowa one winter. The temps in an unheated garage were -25º. I walked to school that morning with a wind chill of -71º. I was thankful for my Alaska down jacket.

Now I live in Christiansburg, VA, where the temps are great for old Vermonters. And when there is no salt, I drive my `88 Spider Quad with the winter hardtop, and my 164L. But here, they remain garaged.

Cheers ........... It was +28º this morning and light snow. All melted now!

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Winter weather blues

Hi Jim,

Don't think we ever met, I do get to see Granite Alfa (Dana) from Barre for rides in the warmer weather. Christiansburg is near Blacksburg, right? One of my kids went to Virginia Tech and I have been thru that area many times. You have some great roads there for Alfa cruising.

You are lucky to get to drive an Alfa almost year round. Up here, I suffer from AWS (Alfa Withdrawal Syndrome) every year from Dec to late March...

But my Spider was originally a west coast car and has no rust. I know if I tried to drive it here in the winter the salt and road grit would probably kill it in a few short years! So it goes into the barn for hibernation.

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Ah, well, we have more parallel experiences than I expected. I taught at Vermont Tech for 10 years, lived in Barre. I know all about winter storing Alfas. My mate there has a barn and stores 30 cars every year; Terry Murphy at VTC if you are interested. Now I'm retired to pleasant Alfa country as you know. Lots of great back roads. One has a sign at a sharp corner that I would like to change... "Alfas 40 mph, all others 15, and trucks not allowed!"

My Spider still has original paint, Steve Patchin did a top overhaul last year with all new valves and guides. So she is now at peak performance. Steve Patchin does all my work. He is ex-Navy, used to be chief mechanic for the Blue Angels, lives in Virginia Beach but we have a buddy relationship and swap his mechanics for my architecture designs on his properties. He is AROC consultant on the 164 and goes by the handle "Alfisto Steve". You see his entry on a message above. His address is in the monthly AROC magazine. So he keeps my 164 at top performance too. He can fix anything. He's the only guy I have ever met who runs a 164 V-6 while it lays on his garage floor..... testing it for 100% before he puts it back in the car. Sharp guy!

I avoid the salt with the Alfas completely..... use my old Ford Windstar on bad days. Usually, I just throw another log on the fire and watch it snow!

Good talking to you.

Jim
 

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Jim,

Is this something like Kevin Bacon's "6 degrees of separation?"

You are doubly blessed - get to drive almost all year round and have an Alfa pro to help maintain your car. I'm jealous...

Up here in the boonies no Alfa specialists per se, but we do have the old fashion shade tree mechanics who are really good at keeping all kinds of vehicles running.

I am no longer surprised by what I come across, there are often all kinds of interesting vehicles lurking in the barns around here.

A few months back I pulled in to talk to the owner of the local shop that services my daily drivers, and there was a legimate condition #2 TR3 (1958) sitting out front. Turns out the owner is big into British sports cars, has a summer home at a nearby lake, and trusts these guys to work on his two old Triumphs and his 1938 MG.

One advantage of these small communities...they know I don't drive the Alfa when the roads are wet, even in the summer (I almost never put my top up), so he writes in his appointment book "conditions permitting" and will automatically reschedule me if it is raining so I don't even have to call him!
 

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John, I used to get my maintenance from Jeff Hildebrand in Heinsburg. He knows Alfas, has a complete shop with floors you could eat off of, and did good work for reasonable prices. But the Ferrari guys from New York State found him and ruined him for us poor folk. Last I heard he was having financial problems (?) and went to work for BMW in Burlington.

Jim
 

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I can't relate to below zero. I've been in Chicago in the winter and felt lake effect 20F wind. It cut through me and my parka like a knife!

But, we did have a 32F morning here today. I know that sounds like flip flop and shorts weather to some of you, but this is about as cold as it has ever been to my memory here in the Coachella Valley (Palm Springs, Palm Desert). We only own T-Shirts and shorts out here, so it's like zero for us. :)

I'll not say the high temp to spare your feelings.
Stay warm Alfisti! You are in our thoughts and prayers.
 

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Maybe I should dredge up photos of our Duetto in icicles or of me tunneling under the Alfetta GT in a snowdrift during a blizzard. There's also the Duetto with a Christmas tree in the passenger seat, top down in the snow...

Michigan winter: live tough or die.
 

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Considering that my other cars really don't work in this weather, I think this is GREAT Alfa weather, (in my 164s!). While in the mountains for the SIA ski show this past week, it hit -42 one night. Alfa started w/ only minor grumbling, and w/ 4 studded Hankook tires, heated seats, and a heating system that really works,( after a recent thermostat replacement), it was almost pleasant driving. You just have to watch out for the idiot suv drivers that think that 4wd and "all weather" tires make them invincible! Warm thoughts to all of you that have it worse then we do in Denver, at least our DOT knows how to deal w/ snow.
 
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