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i just destroyd my water pump:mad: in the most stupidest way ever .....
i thought the car was in neutral but it was in first and i strarted it and it hit the curb destroyng my water pump :(
 

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Noooooooooo!!!! Why Must Owning an Alfa Be So Hard?

..hitting a curb? distroying our waterpump? that was one tall curb..did you not also distroy your nose of the car and the rad?
The solution is simple, owning an Alfa is not hard at all, sell it. And yes, that was meant as humor. You'd miss all the fun like this of learning from mistakes, although, some of them may be expensive ones. Hopefully, ones you'll never repeat.

We've all been there and done it, maybe not this particular mistake, so don't feel alone that you're the only one that has done something stupid with your Alfa or any car, driving or repairing it. If you really need some emotional uplift and humor over this, read the thread on the bb about the "Stupidest Thing I've Ever Done" or something like that. You will see that others have done much worse, probably including me when I tried to burn down the garage putting out a Giulia Super engine fire or smashed the nose of the Giulietta spider that Pat had just repaired when I stopped while towing it and suddenly realized the car was still coming at me.
 

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i know, i know....

its just that today is such a beautifull day and im here thinking about where i could of been cruising:cool:. i love my alfa even when it breaks down once a month its still one of the greatest car that i have owned :D my mechanic told me hed replace it for $100 so it probably wont be that bad.
 

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I thought the car was in neutral but it was in first and I started it and it hit the curb
Ah, the subtle differences between owning a true sports car and a joe-every-car: no clutch pedal interlock in the starter circut..... (it's never 'I thought it was in neutral' but should always be 'I check that it's in neutral')

On that note, you could prolly scrounge up a clutch interlock off almost any joe-every-car in the junkyard that's been made since the mid 1980's and incorporate it into your system. They look simular to and operate in the same fashion as the brake light switch on the brake pedal. (likely tying right into the ignition switch wires which happen to be just a couple inches away)


I'm curious too:

How did you wreck the waterpump but not the tinwork, the radiator, the oil sump and/or the crank pulley? (they all stick out by a little to a LOT more than the pump)
 

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Did you damage the waterpump or the fan and/or shroud? Your mechanic's estimate of $100 to buy and install a waterpump seems very low (the part alone cost about $90 in the Centerline & IAP catalogs). I'm guessing that the oilpan hit the curb, kicked the running engine upward, and the rotating fan impacted the shroud, breaking one or both of these plastic pieces. Since the fan and shroud are plastic, and since this plastic becomes brittle with age, you may have done yourself a favor to have forced their replacement - having a fan explode on the highway can do more serious damage.
 

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genious....

Did you damage the waterpump or the fan and/or shroud? Your mechanic's estimate of $100 to buy and install a waterpump seems very low (the part alone cost about $90 in the Centerline & IAP catalogs). I'm guessing that the oilpan hit the curb, kicked the running engine upward, and the rotating fan impacted the shroud, breaking one or both of these plastic pieces. Since the fan and shroud are plastic, and since this plastic becomes brittle with age, you may have done yourself a favor to have forced their replacement - having a fan explode on the highway can do more serious damage.

wow your quite right he just told me 100 for the labor and yes the fan shroud is broken but not the fan itself.... should i just replace it with the waterpump?
 

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Easy to top that one. Replaced the a/c belt on my GTV6 and bent 3 exhaust valves. By the time it was repaired with a driveline overhaul it set me back R2,300, way back then. Then the gearbox fell out on the freeway 2 weeks later because the mechanic did not tighten the gearbox mounts. Not easy to explain that to the ex.
 

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Clutch Inter-lock Sensor

Ah, the subtle differences between owning a true sports car and a joe-every-car: no clutch pedal interlock in the starter circut..... (it's never 'I thought it was in neutral' but should always be 'I check that it's in neutral')

On that note, you could prolly scrounge up a clutch interlock off almost any joe-every-car in the junkyard that's been made since the mid 1980's and incorporate it into your system. They look simular to and operate in the same fashion as the brake light switch on the brake pedal. (likely tying right into the ignition switch wires which happen to be just a couple inches away)


I'm curious too:

How did you wreck the waterpump but not the tinwork, the radiator, the oil sump and/or the crank pulley? (they all stick out by a little to a LOT more than the pump)
Clutch inter-lock/ignition systems are fine to protect, imo, idiots that don't know how to properly start a manual transmission vehicle, but they are essentially a pain in the rear for anyone that does; and especially when they go out and you can't get the car started. My daughter has been through two of them on her 2004 safety-equipped manual transmission vehicle.

When they first came out my first husband's brother had a Vega with the clutch inter-lock/ignition system and he bet me I couldn't drive his car at a family Thanksgiving dinner. I had a MGB-GT at the time. He had counted on me never being able to get it started, let alone get it out on the road and drive it since he knew my car did not have that feature, which had nothing to do with my ability to drive the car because I didn't know either. But I had been taught properly to always start a manual transmission with the clutch in and the parking brake on with the extra precaution of the brake being held down if you were starting on a hill, which I was in this case.
 

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Yeah, the cooling fan itself is fairly inexpensive and easy to replace. After having a broken fan blade flying off inches away from my face (hood was open and I was revving the engine at the throttle lever) on my mother's '84 Spider, I check the fan every time I pop the hood on my mother's car (mine's a '91 w/ electric fans so no worry there). I once had my fingers chewed (not eaten thanks God...:p) by the cooling fan on my mother's '53 1900M. Mind you, the fan on this car is of cast aluminum!! The shroud is designed in a way that it sits right in front of the fan, not covering over the fan:mad:.

criler,

I still don't understand how you end up destroying the water pump in the way you described. How did you determine that it needs to be replaced? Do you have any water leak? If so, chances are that your fan poked a hole on the radiator, which could happen when the engine is pushed up (or down in case of sagging engine mounts) excessively and the fan hits the radiator.

Did you damage the waterpump or the fan and/or shroud? Your mechanic's estimate of $100 to buy and install a waterpump seems very low (the part alone cost about $90 in the Centerline & IAP catalogs). I'm guessing that the oilpan hit the curb, kicked the running engine upward, and the rotating fan impacted the shroud, breaking one or both of these plastic pieces. Since the fan and shroud are plastic, and since this plastic becomes brittle with age, you may have done yourself a favor to have forced their replacement - having a fan explode on the highway can do more serious damage.
wow your quite right he just told me 100 for the labor and yes the fan shroud is broken but not the fan itself.... should i just replace it with the waterpump?
 

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...I still don't understand how you end up destroying the water pump in the way you described. How did you determine that it needs to be replaced? Do you have any water leak? If so, chances are that your fan poked a hole on the radiator, which could happen when the engine is pushed up (or down in case of sagging engine mounts) excessively and the fan hits the radiator.
I'm also wondering the same thing... The '74 nose has no valance or spoiler. Thus, the sump (and sump guard, if one is installed) is completely exposed. It is very easy to push the engine up or back, if the sump doesn't clear the obstacle enough...

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well.........

it might have been a coinsidence but i think that when the fan hit the fan shroud it hit and posibly destroyd the bearing on the pump, sincew the 2 are atached. when the car is idling or running i hear this grinding noise coming from the engine bay and when i move the fan it wobels and makes the exact noise when its on.
 

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Well you can always look at all the positives. You are 17 and have a smokin cool car. You are on the steep part of the learning curve and learning fast. You live in CA so missing a couple of great driving days is vastly different than those of us who have already put our cars away for winter. On top of that you didn't crack the oil pan.
 

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Noooooooooo!!!! Why Must Owning an Alfa Be So Hard?

I thought your daughter was 15 years old??!!??
The one you're referring to with the broken ankle is, she is Pat and my youngest. We had three children together, he had five total; ours was a second family of sorts for him; I am five years older than his oldest son.

More confused than ever now? ;)
 

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More confused than ever now? ;)
Yes indeed, that would make you younger than I thought to begin with...Hooray for you!!!:D I was thinking, because of his age, you were in your 70's, but that never added up to having a 15 year old, but you know more miraclous things have happened.
 

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Nooooooooooo!!!! Why Must Owning an Alfa Be So Hard!!!!!

Yes indeed, that would make you younger than I thought to begin with...Hooray for you!!!:D I was thinking, because of his age, you were in your 70's, but that never added up to having a 15 year old, but you know more miraclous things have happened.
Thanks, just proof that you're a newbie to Alfadom and aren't familiar with all the gossip and jokes that Pat and I endured over the years about our relationship, difference in ages, and what miraculous things did happen!!!! Now that we've hijacked this thread, let's see how I can get it back on track....

Here's one of those "a picture is worth a thousand words:" I was being born as Pat was graduating from high school and buying his first Alfa; he was probably some where near the learning curve of the person that started this thread with the exception of the Alfas being very different to work on and they certainly had no smog equipment. How's that? ;)
 
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