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Seems to be at least one in the NW.
Yeah, isn't there a yellow one around? Could you register the car under "show and display status"? Or could it be registered as a "kit" car. I'm not too sure what constitutes a kit car but lets assume you "build" the car yourself; could you then register it as such? (I think this is what Autodelta was doing before they were shut down a couple years ago)

This whole DOT and safety thing is an absolute joke. I've been thinking about this the last few weeks every time I see some jacked up truck driving around town after being raised up several inches making the bumpers completely useless. I don't want to see the aftermath of one of these trucks t-boning car at an intersection. I seriously doubt the modern Alfa would inflict half the damage one of these trucks would (or conversely protect you any less than a DOT approved car would when hit).
 

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I don't want to see the aftermath of one of these trucks t-boning car at an intersection.
I think about that every time I see one of those idiots. It's the same for big trucks like the cement mixers that have a bumper that lines up with the windshield of any passenger car.
There was a fella I know/knew that was t-boned in an '06 Volvo S 60. The bumper entered the car behind the "a" pillar and pretty much smooshed his head. Not a pretty way to go. I think that we should not be so worried about tail pipe emmissions as safety. Here in Louisville we used to have safety inspections. They got rid of these and changed to a tail pipe test. They have since gotten rid of the tail pipe thing because most of the cars tested passed on the first test. Only a few didn't.
If cars had good tires, suspensions, and brakes there would (IMHO) be fewer accidents. I see way too many cars every day that have bad ball joints or bald tires and all they want to do is fix the air conditioner:eek:.

It really pisses me off some times that there is a good chance that the idiot behind me most likely has bad/cheap brakes and bald tires and will slam into one of my cars if I stop too fast:mad:

Sorry...a rant..

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Don't be sorry for your rant. It is a very valid subject. The vehicle smog checks in most States are just a scam run by the private companies which do the testing. Almost all cars pass the tests on the first check. The percentage of those which don't is sooo small, it is meaningless in the scheme of things. Just another sanctioned tax on the vehicle owner. Much better to have a reasonable safety inspection program to ensure a more meaningful safe driving environment.

Same with the cameras for catching red light running. While there are those OUTLAWS who do deliberately run red lights (and may they suffer debilitating plague and pestilence for the rest of their lives), the cameras and the remotely issued tickets are nothing but a big money boon for the companies and just another sanctioned tax piled onto the car owner. If I were to run a red light, I insist on a real person to chastise and ticket me, not some remote camera, not big brother. We have the right to face our accusers.

Not exactly on the subject, though.
 

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As far as a kit car goes that would never fly since the local DMV would take one look at it and know that it's not one. Any imported kit still must go through customs and have proper documentation. The EPA or DOT website is pretty clear I'd have to check but maybe the yellow GTV Spider in the NW is a newer model that came through Canada. There are vehicles that are OK from up north after certain years.
 

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As far as a kit car goes that would never fly since the local DMV would take one look at it and know that it's not one. Any imported kit still must go through customs and have proper documentation. The EPA or DOT website is pretty clear I'd have to check but maybe the yellow GTV Spider in the NW is a newer model that came through Canada. There are vehicles that are OK from up north after certain years.
Without the crash test data and meeting the safety requirements, no alfa built after 1994 is legal on US highways. Only cars similiar in previous years would be allowed. Lets say a 1995 spider had same chasis, body etc as the 1994, you can have an RI petition that based on it is similiar to the 1994 which met the US safety. I wish someone would post how they did it because right now my only option is to drive in 15 more years. (safety and emmissions dont matter if your car is over 25 yo., for anyone who does not believe the federal law is in place to protect the US auto industry)
 

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oh man. very nice!

HOW can you resist not driving it!? i'm sure you sneak it out once in a while.....what are your plans for it?

Hard to resist, but not having it would suck more!! No plans yet, still looking at options to drive. May just throw on a trailer and bring it to shows so people can get fired up for alfa's return.
 

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This whole DOT and safety thing is an absolute joke........ I seriously doubt the modern Alfa would inflict half the damage one of these trucks would (or conversely protect you any less than a DOT approved car would when hit).
Dont think its a joke, but the whole world uses one standard, but US choses to have thier own seperate from the rest of the world. In no way is the US safety standard superior, it really is designed to proctect the US auto industry and keep manufacturing costs down.

UN has a standard that both euro and asian cars manufactures comply with making it easy to bring your vehicle to other countries.
 

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You could always drive it on a race if you have one near by.
 

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Don't be sorry for your rant. It is a very valid subject. The vehicle smog checks in most States are just a scam run by the private companies which do the testing. Almost all cars pass the tests on the first check. The percentage of those which don't is sooo small, it is meaningless in the scheme of things. Just another sanctioned tax on the vehicle owner. Much better to have a reasonable safety inspection program to ensure a more meaningful safe driving environment.

Same with the cameras for catching red light running. While there are those OUTLAWS who do deliberately run red lights (and may they suffer debilitating plague and pestilence for the rest of their lives), the cameras and the remotely issued tickets are nothing but a big money boon for the companies and just another sanctioned tax piled onto the car owner. If I were to run a red light, I insist on a real person to chastise and ticket me, not some remote camera, not big brother. We have the right to face our accusers.

Not exactly on the subject, though.
Del I couldnt agree with you more bro check this out back in 2005 I failed emissions in the carbon% by one point!! I thought that was BS!!! then second time around The CO% limit is "63%" SO they state:rolleyes: My car got exactly that!!:rolleyes: then this year last thursday I passed first shot My CO% was 53% and you know what the limit was.....you guessed it 53%:eek::rolleyes: When I saw that I just thought this is nothing but a big scam to rip people into fixing or looking into their cars to fix nothing that is wrong.:mad: You really wont know whats the TRUE emission limits are because its all a big scam. And I have my tests scores to proove it man.:mad:
 

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Well, it seems to me that the unfortunate dealers and owners must contact some Alfa organization in neighboring countries or someone like Altissimo Int. who had an entry on this tread. Int. Auto Parts might be able to help, if they what to. I presume that the dealers still have the special tools, programs and work shop manuals.
Just checked Alfaromeo.com, there is a link to a fully functioning web showing all current Alfa models, are you sure that the Fiat Group just pulls the plug on the market? Just like in the US.
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Int, Auto Parts, no way. They barley understand the 164. They are old 4 cyl parts place and will not be able to order 156> model parts. If they do they will charge more and get it wrong. I Just supplied some glass to a GT owner in Washington DC. Someone smashed his passenger window and could not get a replacement. I got it to him in 6 days.

I do not think IAP has on-line access to alfa for new parts.

So if there is a need for parts for vehicles not brought to the US, I have no issues supplying the parts.

As far as DOT, I agree it is a joke, it is based on old technology from around the 1970's and still used today.
I think all cars should be inspected like in Europe. If it leaks or has a bad shock or tire. Off the road until fixed. Trucks should not be able to be lifted and cars should not be able to be lowered more than 2". headlight, tail light, side markers, side repeaters should all be legal color, not blue, green purple, whatever. Tail lamps should not be able to be replaced with cheap after-market "stylish" tail lamps that are not approved. Only OEM can replace them.
Certain allowable Db for exhaust.
NHTSA is getting better though. headlight technology for example is adopting both Euro and DOT approved headlamps which is good.
But man they have a lot of work ahead of them to even come close to EEC regulations.
We are still in the stone age here in the US. Some of the cars that are driving around should be in the crusher. I see cars spilling smoke out the tail and a cop drive right by and not blink an eye.
Yet, they somehow pass smog and get a valid registration.
The state spends money on Smog test facilities and salaries while charging us $30 for a check every 2 years which as mentioned 98% probably passes.
They spend money on mass transit but nobody rides it because they all drive their heaps of crap. if they had an inspection,took these cars off the road they would add twice as much income to the state since they would then have to use mass transit, environmentally these cars would not contribute to carbon dioxide emissions, pollution, and so forth. Therefor adding to a safer, cleaner less crowded highway/road system. Sure it seems like a dream but a few simple tings in place could have big impacts on this.
One reason I do not think they do it is they may have a huge uproar of anger citizens with confederate flags breaking down the doors of the state capitol demanding back their right to lift their trucks or drive their cars with blown head gaskets etc. I don't know I may be off my rocker..? Maybe they should be charged a hefty carbon tax or safetey tax until fixed? ;)
But I can tell you in the last 10 years driving has not been as enjoyable at all. It is dangerous and drivers these days do not have any manners or any knowledge of driving or the road at all. Since when did flashing a car become the middle finger as opposed to a courtesy to please move to the side as I am going faster than you??
I think is should be mandatory for all drivers to take a driving test and paper test every 2 years.


Just a few ideas off the top of my head at 9:30 at night.
Ciao!
 

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I am pretty sure the Italian consulate here in NYC has a few new Alfas that they cruise around in. Maybe I will take a walk over there in the near future...

Maybe that walk will include a flatbed truck.
HA!

good idea.....i'll get the trucks, you get the chains and set up a diversion! ;)
 

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I have purchased a 1997 Alfa Spider and it is here in the US sadly sitting in my garage. It may never get DOT approved and allowed to be driven. The conversion to federal standards is actually not to expensive, $3500-10,000, but without crash test results the NHTSA will not allow the alfa to be imported.

The Skyline importer in Torrance, CA is a RI (a NHTSA registered importer) actually crash tested the cars to provide safety results. They are now able to import those and resell legally to US. If anyone out there has an extra 1/4 mil, we can partner up and become a RI and crash a few alfa's to start our own import business.

Hi,

try this:

http://www.getnewtitle.com/?gclid=CIrgoYaZ6Y4CFShVYQod1CCMJA

That will give you plates and a title. Insurance should not be a big problem
either. Most states will let you transfer the paperwork from Maine without
any problems.

Best regards

Hans
 

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This will never work. The issue is not with the title but with the DOT and EPA. The car was never certified for U.S. importation.
 

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This will never work. The issue is not with the title but with the DOT and EPA. The car was never certified for U.S. importation.

The biggest and most complicated issue is to get the car into the U.S. That's already done.

So, what will never work??

Maybe selling the car in the U.S. will not work, but driving it with a legally issued registration in a U.S. state for your own pleasure once in a while??? Yes, it will work.:D:D

Best regards


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This website is for lost titles, this car has never had a U.S. title and unless it goes through the DOT certification it never will.
 

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This website is for lost titles, this car has never had a U.S. title and unless it goes through the DOT certification it never will.

If you say so, so be it.;);):D:D:confused:

If this beautiful Alfa Spider was mine, I would be on the road right now
with the top down and enjoying it................. with a plate and a registration on it.:D:D


Regards

Hans

P.S. People who don't try will never find out.........
 

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Yeah right, you're in California and I'll bet you $1000 you cannot obtain a valid registration! :) :) ;) This is a 97 GTV Spider not an old Sud.
 

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hmmm....that get new car titles website is pretty interesting.

are there people who've tried it with newer European cars? does anybody know of anyone who HAS succeeded?

Just last week, i saw a guy on VW Vortex who has a 2001 Audi S3 in Colorado. A car which was NEVER sold in the USA. He has registered its insurance as an S4.

ANYTHING is possible...it just takes alot of dedication to get it going...
 

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There are certain cars that have had crash tests done in their home country but have not imported to the U.S. The 1997 GTV Spider was not one of those. Think about this, Bill Gates, you know the MicroSoft guy had a Porsche 959 sitting in customs, then his warehouse for a dozen years because of no crash test documentation. Don't you think Bill Gates and his small stash of change could have found a way to drive his car on U.S. roads. I'm sure ole Bill just was not dedicated enough to find a way and he got lazy :)
 
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