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Anyone know where I can get a new (or used) windshield for my 1991 Alfa 164S these days? I found new ones on the Alfissimo website for close to $800, but that's more than I paid for my car! I. just want a plain windshield, no need for a fancy heated one.

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Didn't know there were any heated windscreens made for a 164. Maybe a local windscreen specialist may be able to order one or repair yours? Jason isn't cheap but he does have good stuff.
 

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Ironically enough, just yesterday I was trading messages with Richard Tankel who previously owned Prosource Int'l, who was a great source for hard-to-find windshields. He does still have some GTV6 windshields, but nothing for the 164. Regardless, he might be worth contacting as he does have a rolodex full of glass suppliers.
 

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Guys, really? How did this thread get hijacked with irrelevant posts about heated windshields? I want a plain old windshield, just like the car came with from the factory. My Alfa 164S never had a heated windshield and I don't need or want one. I live in California. Called Larry at A.P>E> and he said I could have a used one for free if I could get it out. Larry said the last guy at his place spent 8 hours with a lot of fancy tools trying to get a windshield out of a wrecked 164, only to have it break at the last minute. Larry said the windshields are glued in with some super strong stuff that is virtually impossible to un-stick. I just want to find a reasonably price, plain-vanilla, windshield. Guess I wil have to try the local Safelite glass store.
 

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Regular OEM 164 windshields were heated on the bottom. Virtually impossible to remove one without breaking it.
 

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Windshield bonding is structural. That's why the urethane glue is so strong. Using a specialized wire cutter tool can cut the adhesive, in theory. In practice the windshield breaks.
 

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I traded messages with Richard and he suggested that Safelite should still have access to 164 windshields. You'd just need to find someone willing to do a little more work, as it may not be in their local warehouse. Specifically, he indicated that the Mygrant distribution warehouse in NY or NJ may have some.
 

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When my screen got broken the glass specialists couldn't replace it using their mobile unit as, as mentioned, these are structurally bonded in. Can't see ever getting one out without breaking it - I did try once and totally failed. Using a square-profile wire I did manage to get a rear screen out, eventually, but front screens? Maybe heating the glue could help but if the screen is being replaced anyway, why not just accept it will break and go from there? A plastic sheet could be taped on the interior side to catch broken shards.
Or maybe a windscreen specialist can give knowledgeable rather than amateur advice and cast light on the best way forward?
Good luck with it.
 

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I ended up paying around $1K to have my windshield replaced. Don't know if it is heated or not. The only issue was that there was no notch that allowed the VIN tag to be read. That is partially covered but can still be made out if needed.

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Mille grazie!
Thanks for educating me about the heated windshield issue and the structural bonding issue. The local Safelite glass store in Rocklin, CA, has quoted me a total of $439.00 installed, including all taxes, disposal fees, and labor. I have an appointment on March 16th. I will report back on how it goes. They just confirmed that they will have the windshield by then, but needed the Alfa's VIN to do so because there is more than one type/size.
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Good price. Checking the VIN is standard practice when locating correct parts, especially for older cars. The 164 came with only one shape of windshield. There were the two versions available: one with heating wires at the base, to keep the hideaway wipers from freezing, and an aftermarket type without the wires. Unless you drive in winter conditions either type will work fine.
 

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FYI there were really two OEM types depending on VIN - thick and thin with two corresponding sets of trim depending on thickness of glass. That is probably why they want the VIN. Alfa 164 - Alfisto Steve's Maintenance Tips Thinner one is early one 60544795 thicker on is 60566821 (error 6056881 in my post linked above). VIN 6269942 and up got thicker one. The kicker is the trim to match the thickness.
 

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When I tried to get Safelite to replace mine, they first took like 4 months to find glass and then said they could not install the glass they found unless I could provide a complete set of window trim, which they could not supply. That stuff is pretty hard to get. I got the trim out of Europe, but still haven't installed new glass. I am planning to take the windshield from Old Blue, but its not OEM (but is heated). It can't be in there that well as it has leaked for a number of years in heavy rain. And really wasn't mounted on the car correctly either.
 

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Update: Safelite called me about 45 minutes before my appointment last Monday morning and told me that they could not find an Alfa164 windshield anywhere in California. Looks like I will have to live with a cracked windshield for awhile until I can find one somewhere else. The cracked area is in the lower right corner of the windshield, about 4 inches long. Luckily it has stopped getting bigger, but once the weather heats up here in Northern California, it will probably get bigger and into my field of view.
 

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Did you try the epoxy injection crack repair? Even if it doesn't work it can often stop the crack propagating across the windshield. It works by capillary action, the thin resin travels up the crack to the end. It glues the sides of the crack together. In ideal conditions the crack or chip disappears also, bonus.
 

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Did you try the epoxy injection crack repair? Even if it doesn't work it can often stop the crack propagating across the windshield. It works by capillary action, the thin resin travels up the crack to the end. It glues the sides of the crack together. In ideal conditions the crack or chip disappears also, bonus.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that to slow the crack. Got nothing to lose at this point while I look for a new windshield.
 

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I've used the epoxy repair method on all my Alfas through the years. Most of the time it works well, at least for small divots and cracks. Haven't tried it for long cracks. And, it doesn't cost you anything. Insurance takes care of it.
 

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The newest kits can work amazingly well on long cracks. Even when they aren't invisible repairs the epoxy resin tends to stop further cracking. It is always worth a try since the process is so cheap compared to fitting a new screen.
 

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I've never had to pay a cent for this fix, as at least most of the insurance companies are more than willing to cover the cost, since they are not shelling out for a new windshield.
 
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