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Sopp,
Head all Lionel advice. He is a valued contributor to the BB, and has MUCH more experience than most. If you will look at his past answers on the BB you will notice he is always right on.:cool:
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AlfistiSA's Sprints are numbered:
1493*05262 - '57 Sprint Normale - column shift
1493*05880 - '57 Sprint Normale - floor shift

My VIN is 1493-05931 Mine must be about a month later than his floor shift model.

Tremendous advice from all !!!! I've been jotting down names and web sites, and making notes in my ALFA folder. Will start contacting people in a week or so.

I generally do my own sandblasting, use fine sand, hold nozle at 45 degree angle, cut pressure back a bit, take my time.........never warped a panel yet!!

I'll have to re-read all the replies and make sure I've got it all locked in the old grey matter. Thanks again,
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I don't like to be a nay sayer but I have read recent posts coaxing a few folks down a road of serious restorations which I for one would walk from and never look back. All this encouragement reminds me of the side lines at a BJ Auction where frenzied screams drive bidders over the deep end. I don't think any of us is qualified to make judgement on a restoration candidate from a few old fuzzy photos. I just walked away from a Series 2 Sprint Normale, one owner, stored for 34 years that was a swamp rat (represented as stored inside this long) with a standing offer of $2000 from one person who had only seen photos. There wasn't $2000 in parts on the rat that were marketable.

All things are possible but come with a price. From the photos, I am disturbed by the amount of "surface" rust in places like the roof, for instance. I have seen cars with this problem that were in fact perforated enough to read a church bulletin through it... Not good. Other areas of your car show this rust.
There are some achilles heals you should look at before the C notes start flying away. The doors are hung by ONE hinge and the lower pivot is a ball and socket affair. Mega hours to fix this if the socket has the surrounding area in bad shape. The fitment and gaps of the doors don't leave ANYTHING to adjustment. Trailing arm attachments, jack points, Box sections in front of the rear arches, Rear arches, Rear valence... all these things add up to BIG MONEY. My guess, if all this stuff needs attention, your costs would be
somewhere between $20,000 and $40,000 to get a bare shell back from the body shop ready to reassemble. I have a '57 Sprint in the body shop now with the meter running that will come in at $15,000 t0 $20,000 when all is done and only a few of the weaknesses sited were pressent when I took it in and the shop specializes in custom fabrication and rods at $65/hr which is CHEAP.

Lastly, these cars have very little in common with their Brit brethen which can be disassemble like an Erector set and a true body off is the way to go.
Replacement parts are not a phone call away and can cost 4 to 5 times what the like pieces on a Healey would be and probably be used.

The best advice I would give you is to take some pictures to a body man
and judge his enthusiasm to do what you want done. Show him books with finished cars. If he raises an eyebrow, he ain't the guy. If he slaps his hands together and asks, where is this challenge, he's the guy. Offer to pay him to visit the car in person. If he wants the job and you aren't more than an hour away he will come without charging you but offer to pay his time. DO THIS BEFORE YOU BLAST IT and you might just save $1500 in blasting costs before you turn it into a planter.
Remember, your love affair with this project will be tested before it's over and the Viagra will wear off when the checks are written. Rick. PS It would be interesting to see how many cheerleaders show up to rescue the car if you decide it is not your pursuit. Good luck
 

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Rick,
I certainly respect your point of view, and if I were a novice, everything you wrote would certainly apply. I've been restoring cars and trucks for over 40 years as a hobby. I've brought back to life cars that were in much worse condition. My Austin Healey is at a body shop for final sanding and paint because the arthritus in my hands makes hand-sanding quite painful(holding a paint gun ain't no fun anymore either). The only thing on the Sprint that I know I can't do is hammer out a new nose. The Sprint will also go to the body shop for final sanding and paint.
Again, I certainly respect and appreciate your viewpoint.

Info I got back from Archivio:
According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1493.05931 (1493 is the identification for Giulietta Sprint) originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint, manufactured on the 29th November 1957 and sold on the 4th July 1958 to Hoffman Motor Cars Co., New York, U.S.A.

No further information available about this car.

More info would have been nice, but this is still worthwhile.

I probably shouldn't say this but,,,,,,,,,,, my body man who does $300,000+ Superbirds still charges $35 per hour. I tell him he's nuts, but he loves what he's doing and it pays the bills.

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November 29, 1957 was a Friday - the day after Thanksgiving.
Divotandtralee (aka:Uncle Rick) seems to be warning your project could turn out to be a turkey.
Time will tell.
They have Thanksgiving in Italy? I agree it is probably a difficult project, but I doubt the build quality from the factory is still a factor.
 

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Sopp,

Now that the mistery is solved about the year of the car - contact me off line and I can tell what I can sell you parts wise related to this car. :D Once you posted the Vin # I checked one of the references indicating it was a 1957 production car. I believed that most likely was a 58, because it was for the 58 period Sprint between Feb - June that these cars came with Lucas taillight assemblies. :rolleyes: If you have a good sheet metal guy that can do this kind of work for $35/hr I like stop by his shop when I go to Madison WI to see family. ;)

Good luck with your project.

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Dear Sopp,

There are a pair of 1st series sprint eyebrows for your wierd front end sheetmetal rebuild on ebay currently. These are NOT in common with any other Alfa. Mabey Lionel or ReOriginals also might have them...
The center grille is the same as for 750/101 spiders.

Cheers, Laurence
 

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Time to catch up

Been away from the board a few days......................

Lionel,
Being built at the end of November, I guess I would consider it to be a 1958. When I transfer the title I'll see if I can get the DOT to change the year from 1959 to 1958. My body man says he will help me if I get stuck, but he refuses to try and make a new nose from scratch:mad: . I will try some of the other sources that have been mentioned. If you get up to Eau Claire some time, I'll gladly take you to his body shop.

Laurence,
I must be too late, 'cuz I don't find eyebrows on ebay ( unless I'm confused about the listing:confused:).

Greig,
I'm a long way from that point, but I will keep your offer logged in my refference book. Thank you.

.......and I really do appreciate Uncle Rick's cautions. Even though I have done a fair amount of restoration, I've never worked on an ALFA before. I know there will be things that I'm not gonna be sure of. If any of you find me going off track,,,,,,,please give me a good slap in the head to straighten me out. The more I read about these Sprints, the more I realise that this one should be restored correctly. And to do this, I will need your help.

Quick question: if this car was originally a color that I don't care for, how grievious a sin would it be to change the color???? Is there a color code imprinted in some form on the car so that I know for sure what color it was?

I thank everyone for their input.
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Generally the easiest way to see what the original colour was is to have a look up the back of the dash - unless the previous owner has been extremely thorough or heavy handed with the paint gun, the original colour is usually visible.

Sopp, colours are a touchy subject, the best advice anyone can give is have a good look at all the Sprints & pictures of Sprints that you can, then decide if you really like the original colour, if not, pick one you like & go for it.

I personally like light pastels on the 750 cars & bold dark colours on the 101's as there is more chrome on the front end, but seeing as one of my '57's was originally black...........

Ciao
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A Horse Of A Different Color.

Grieg is quite correct. All the threads eventually lead to color with restoration projects. The old Giulia / Giulietta spiders had a RED that turns, over time, pumpkin color. Some like the red, some the pumpkin orange/red. The patina on my 41 year old original Giulia spider paint allows me the joy of both colors:confused: ! It seems most Alfa lovers feel, with a restoration, ANY original color is OK, as long as it was something the factory offered. You might try running a poll as I have seen some BB users do, re: this question. If the car was a color you do not like, it is , after all, your car. It seems as long as the color was one Alfa offered, it should be fine. The only place the original color shows up is with the build sheets from Alfa. Just my opinion.
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Gordon,
Is there a way to get a copy of the original build sheet ?

My wife and I ( this IS her car ) both are leaning toward Celeste (sp?).

Quick story. One year my gave me a list of what she wanted for Christmas (it always helps when they do). On the list were the usual perfume, jewelry, etc, etc, along with "ALFA Romeo". She was expecting maybe a key fob or some other trinket with ALFA on it. Instead, on Dec 24th, I hauled home her Sprint. "Surprize!!!!! You get the real thing". That proved to be a very good Christmas Eve for me also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi Sopp,
Contact:> ARCHIVIO STORICO ALFA ROMEO<, with a request for information, include the car serial number from the chassis. They will give you the build date, paint color, interior color, sold to, and perhaps, thje engine number if you ask. Many BB users have had EXCELLENT and rapid results. I mispelled (typical) the address and in went into cyber space on my first request, however a follow up a week later was answered instantly.
My term "build sheet" actually refers to Ferrari information, where there is an actual page that can be photocopied. Alfa does it faster via E-Mail.
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Any "build sheet" connected with an ALFA was probably printed on the back of a vino label...and it followed the bottle to it's ultimate destination.
Come to think of it, you might find one in a little Italian restaurant, beneath a layer of multicolored candle wax.:rolleyes:
 

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Gordon,
This is what I got back from ACHIVIO STORICO:

According to our documentation files, the chassis number AR 1493.05931 (1493 is the identification for Giulietta Sprint) originally corresponds to an Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint, manufactured on the 29th November 1957 and sold on the 4th July 1958 to Hoffman Motor Cars Co., New York, U.S.A.
No further information available about this car.

If they say "no further info available", does this mean I've reached the end of the search? Or is there some other route to take? Was this car built "before" they started including more info, than that above, in their records?

Greig,
This Sprint has had several (?) injuries in the past and probably has been repainted. The darker blue on the outside currently might not be what I'll find under the dash, so I will check there when I get it out of storage. Thanks for the tip.

OH NO !! Now I have to peel all those labels from the cases of empty wine bottles in the basement. Guess I better get started.

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Sopp,
Hummm? Maybe you lucked out and your sprint was colorless! Gues it COULD be ANY Alfa color! Someone with more knowledge about this than I can probably tell you what happened to the color record. ( I'm thinking Lionel! He does really know these cars.)
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Archiveo Storico told me my one '57 was AR 901 Nero, or Black, the other is just light grey, with no colour code.

Seeing as it's up to me, the current VW commercial range have a light grey, with a hint of blue & that blue-grey would look oh so pretty on a 750 & plain light grey looks too much like primer anyway.

Both my Dad & my '60 Spiders were originally AR 301 Celeste Blue - my favourite colour on a Giulietta.

Sadly most of our cars are now resale red courtesy of previous owners, my Avitar is #05262, the 901 Nero car............. one day..... sigh. However it's that tomato red that mostly resembles the "Farina red" of the Spiders & I actually like it !!

Your car, your call, but Celeste Blue on a 750 Sprint is simply stunning & seeing as SWMBO has the final say, I guess Celeste Blue (also known as Sky Blue in English) cracks the nod............. you won't be sorry.

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