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I'm David Soppeland, Eau Claire, WI. Among way toooooo many other projects I have a 1959 Giulietta Sprint Normale. I'm 60 years into my first childhood and have no intention of growing up, let alone growing old. 5 heart attacks and 4 stents in the last 3 years is no more than a speed bump to me.
Forced into retirement because of some silly health problem, I'm now forced to enjoy life. Unfortunately, the doctors and hospital now have all my retirement funds. But they couldn't surgicaly remove my sense of humor.
I've been collecting and restoring all my life as a hobby. My first car was a 1959 MGA Coupe. My 345th car is a 1959 Morris Minor 2 door that I put a small block Ford/AOD into just for fun. Will be finished this spring. I also have a 1971 MGB Roadster, 1973 MG Midget, 1969 Ranchero, 1942 Dodge COE Semi Tractor, 1956 Ford COE, and a 1955 Austin Healey 100M (dealer converted 100M). The body shop has promissed the Healey will be painted and back to me this spring for assembly.......promisses, promisses.
Now, the 321st car I purchased. The ALFA. I bought it about 20 years ago and put it in dry storage figuring on restoring it after I retired. She's a Wisconsin car and has all the appropriate rust. The previous owner owned a machine shop doing speciallized machine work for the areospace industry, and computer industry. He completely rebuilt engine, trans and rearend, machining everything to plus or minus .00001". Absolute perfectionist. When he got to the body work, he gave up on the car was looking at scrapping it. Someone had previously tried to install Carmine Ghia side grills into an already crumpled front clip. I really need a donor body shell to swap all of my stuff into. I've done lots of body work and just plain don't like it!!!! Starting with a better shell would make this project a lot more doable. Did I mention I'm 60 years old?
Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Sopp
 

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Sopp --
You may not need a donor body shell. Instead you may need three cardboard templates for the grille openings and a good sheet-metal man. Aside from tearing up a perfectly good "donor shell" that somebody else could restore, it may be much more work to do it that way. I recently saved a very early Alfa spider in much worse condition than that. I had the good fortune to work with a skilled body man. We got a 4-foot by 8-foot sheet of 16 gauge mild steel and some formed panels from Wolf Steel and we saved the car. Maybe you can do the same. Good luck, Carl Goodwin
 

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A few quick question from this newby:

Is there a place online that I can type in my VIN and get info back?

Is there a color chart online where I can check out potential colors as well as my original color?

Is there a place online to check out the engine number?

What do the individual numbers in the VIN relate to?

I'll probably have more dumb questions as I get started in the restoration. I beg for your patients.
Thank you,
Sopp
 

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Numbers.

Send an email to this address with your numbers:
[email protected].

Search this forum for the paint information. If I recall, it has been discussed here in the past.
 

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Sopp,
I am also of your vintage, have worked on/with Alfa's and Ferrari's 40+ years and spend time on the BB as I like the cars, and feel that anyone with real interest, cannot ask "dumb questions". Most BB members agree and will gladly offer information and or opinions. Much information exists both in the membership and, as you have just noticed from John and Carl, within the BB itself. Welcome!!

Gordon Raymond
 

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Carl,
I don't intend to tear up a good body shell. I plan to use the "good" body shell in it's entirety and switch the rest of my parts to that good body shell. What I do with my old body shell is still up for grabs.

The only people in my area that work with sheet metal are only capable of making feed wagons for hogs. I know of no one who could hammer out a new nose. I might be able to fix the rest of the rusty panels, but I don't think that nose is salvagable. And I certainly don't have the talent or the patients to hammer one out myself.

All the color charts I've been able to find go back only as far as 1965. The original(?) color looks to be a dark blue. Not really my favorite. I'm thinking more of a light blue with tan interior, but strickly a 1959 color inside and out. Hope ALFA had something like that back then. Second choice would be RED.
 

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Your car is NOT a 59 Sprint. Your car is a 1958 1st series Sprint. This is evident by the Lucas Taillight assemblies, tunnel case transmission, and more. Someone tried to make a Karman Gia out of this car. I do have a number of the parts you need for this car I have eyebrows, steering wheel horn rings, rear glass, and more. I will be listing these on eBay soon as I inventory what I got on hand. However, if you have interest in my parts I will be happy to help you. I can even sell you a new and correct wiring harness for the car see classicwiring.com. Prices on sheet metal work and paint work across the country vary widely, and just to give you an idea I am spending between $14,5000 - $18,000 for all the paint and body work on my car and that is just paint and bodywork (sheet metal work metal forming using English wheel). Still, I have to put the car together and a few $$$$ The shop asked me if I wanted show car quality and I told the guy that these cars were never done show quality when new only good quality paint job. I want a first class paint and body work, this car will never compete with a several hundred thousand $$$$ vehicle at Pebble Beach nor I want a trailer Queen. Finding a donor would be cheaper, but finding a good donor 1st series will not be easy or cheap. I hope you go for saving this one. Good luck, Lionel
 

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I've seen a lot worse:eek: ! These bodies are not as easy as the spiders because of all the complex compound curves. I would strongly suggest finding a reputable body restoration shop even if you have to ship out of state;) . These cars are becoming quite collectable, and $ spent now will be well rewarded in the future:) . Many BB members NEAR YOU may have good (or bad:mad: ) reports on Alfa speciality shops. Post some questions! Don't be in a hurry! :D Gordon Raymond
 

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Things I would do if it was my car:

1. Get a shed for her :).

2. Trailer her to a sand/media blaster, as she is, and get them to blast specific areas so I could work out REALLY how good or bad she is.

3. Spray some etch primer on the blasted areas and take home to dry shed.

4. Spend a few weeks doing a detailed examination ...

5. Restore.

I think you would find a restorable car in there. Currently the surface rust makes her look worse. Metal is only metal, cut out and replace, fill (if necessary) and paint! Takes enormous patience or deep pockets though ...

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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
First, let me apologise for the way the pictures are posted. Don't quite know what the blank spaces are between them.

Lionel, the title says 1959, but from what I had read, I thought it was a 750 and that it could be a '58. I'm still learning. And yes, someone tried to put Carmine Ghia grills in it. I have the back glass, but I would be interested in the other parts you mentioned. I can fabricate small panels, weld them in and do the body work associated with the rockers, lower fenders, and floor. I can also do a good paint job (good enough for a driver ), but not quite show quality. BUT trying to shape a complete nose is well beyond me. Piecing together what I have with new chunks added is not what this car deserves. It deserves better. Maybe I'll start at the back and work forward, by then maybe I'll have time to come up with a good solution to the nose.

Gordon, the body shop that is doing my Austin Healey specialises in doing Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas. I can get help from him on some of the finer details ( can't afford to have him do it all ) and final prep before painting. But, he still refuses to touch the nose. Says there is no way I can afford to have him do that part.

PSK, those pictures were taken close to 20 years ago, just before it went into dry storage. It looks the same today as it did then, well, dustier. She'll go right from storage into my shop. I don't have deep pockets so I guess I'll have to have patients. I've restored lots of cars myself, but the Austin Healey body went to my friends shop because it was actually worse than the ALFA. After the doctors and hospital took most of my money, I had just enough left to pay for the Healey bodywork. It's gone way over the estimate.

I shot off an email to ArchivioStorico with the VIN number and am waiting for a reply. This is going better, but also faster, than I had expected. You guys are just great. You guys will probably be the reason this car is revived more than I. Thank you.

Sopp

P.S. Lionel, please email a list of what you have and what you would like out of each item. Thank you. [email protected]
 

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welcome Sopp and good luck with the fix on the alfa:) I look forward to seeing your posts on this car as you move forward on Giulietta and its reserection:)
 

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Dear Sopp,
Lionel is correct, this is a match for a 1st series, pre-VIN 06600 handmade Sprint with pictured correct type engine and transmission in place! Pre 6/57 for sure.
The form of ledge at the top of the firewall is absolute confirmation. When studying this body against published Sprint photos, note that there are many differences, for example the sills at the base of the body are supposed to be open!

Cheers, Laurence
 

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Sprint nose

Sopp,
There´s a guy in Belgium that might very well be able to fabricate the nose part for your Sprint. His name is Erik van Cauwenbergh and he owns vintage Alfas him self. He´s an old metal craftsman and fabricates many different metal parts for our cars for a price that is resonable. Problem is, he doesn´t uses internet (probably vintage beyond us), so to contact him, you will have to either fax him, call him or send him a letter. His address is Lange Zandstraat 8, B-2800 Mechelen, Belgium-Walem, phone/fax number 003215204628.
Hope this helps,
Dennis, Sweden




QUOTE=Sopp;324321]Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
First, let me apologise for the way the pictures are posted. Don't quite know what the blank spaces are between them.

Lionel, the title says 1959, but from what I had read, I thought it was a 750 and that it could be a '58. I'm still learning. And yes, someone tried to put Carmine Ghia grills in it. I have the back glass, but I would be interested in the other parts you mentioned. I can fabricate small panels, weld them in and do the body work associated with the rockers, lower fenders, and floor. I can also do a good paint job (good enough for a driver ), but not quite show quality. BUT trying to shape a complete nose is well beyond me. Piecing together what I have with new chunks added is not what this car deserves. It deserves better. Maybe I'll start at the back and work forward, by then maybe I'll have time to come up with a good solution to the nose.

Gordon, the body shop that is doing my Austin Healey specialises in doing Superbirds and Dodge Daytonas. I can get help from him on some of the finer details ( can't afford to have him do it all ) and final prep before painting. But, he still refuses to touch the nose. Says there is no way I can afford to have him do that part.

PSK, those pictures were taken close to 20 years ago, just before it went into dry storage. It looks the same today as it did then, well, dustier. She'll go right from storage into my shop. I don't have deep pockets so I guess I'll have to have patients. I've restored lots of cars myself, but the Austin Healey body went to my friends shop because it was actually worse than the ALFA. After the doctors and hospital took most of my money, I had just enough left to pay for the Healey bodywork. It's gone way over the estimate.

I shot off an email to ArchivioStorico with the VIN number and am waiting for a reply. This is going better, but also faster, than I had expected. You guys are just great. You guys will probably be the reason this car is revived more than I. Thank you.

Sopp

P.S. Lionel, please email a list of what you have and what you would like out of each item. Thank you. [email protected][/QUOTE]
 

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Welcome to the AlfaBB.
Your vintage pics of your Sprint remind me of one I had 40 years ago. Even then, mine had more BONDO than metal in the nose!:rolleyes:

Regarding your cars original blue; it was likely the same as the attached pic of a Guilia tail. I once owned a second series Sprint in this blue.

Regarding your change to a lighter blue; Celeste blue has recently become appreciated as a good color on the Bertone body. Your exposure to British machinery may have influenced your choice of a tan interior. Check out the chassis on the attached pic - try to ignore the model (she's probably a grandmother by now:p ) and focus on the interior. ALFA used a combination of fabric and vinyl in upholstering these cars. Second series cars, as imported to the US, usually had all vinyl interiors - often all black.

While you may not live in an area with body shops having ALFA Sprint appreciation; there is a clan of Alfisti in the Seattle area who know of what we speak. Greig Smith (AlfistiSA) has a good understanding of Sprints.
Use the SEARCH feature at the top of the page to discover more of this sites resources.

Best of luck with your resto!
 

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Hi Sopp

Welcome aboard, nice to have you here, yes I agree, it looks like you have a 750 Sprint Normale on your hands.

As my good friend GTD says, I've got a bit of info on these, we currently have two '57's Sprints, a '60 Sprint & a '61 Sprint + two '60 Spiders.

1493*05262 - '57 Sprint Normale - column shift
1493*05880 - '57 Sprint Normale - floor shift

I fully agree with Pete, strip it, get the body blasted & primed & we can help you take it from there.

Dennis knows all about bodywork, he's busy with a 101 Giulia Sprint, using Erik's panels. If your budget does not run to importing panels there must be a donor 750 Sprint in the USA to assist you out.

Lionel is extremely knowlegeable on these cars & his wiring harnesses are the best.

Check out the 750 / 101 picture thread for snapshots of all our cars & you can see what we are working with - my Dad's "new" Spider is in far worse body shape, but thanks to a BB & 750/101 Group member, I've managed to secure a new nose & it's in the process of being shipped out here - thanks GTD.

Send me a private message & I'll send you some 750 pictures & info.

Ciao
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Hi Sopp,

To re-use a phrase, I am also the same "vintage" as you. And, in my earlier years, I had Austin Healeys (100 & 100M) before a friend introduced me to Alfas. Interestingly, his car was a dark blue Giulietta Sprint Normale. After I got my Giulietta, said friend wanted to have his sprint painted, and took it to a local sandblaster. The result of this ham-handed work was a ruined bodyshell. Every large panel was severely warped and the car was never reassembled. So, if you decide to have the car blasted, be sure to research what media will be used and the skill of the user.

Also, there are some Giulietta specific forums that you should check out. Maybe some of the other BB'ers will provide links.

Things I would do if it was my car:...Trailer her to a sand/media blaster, as she is, and get them to blast specific areas so I could work out REALLY how good or bad she is....Pete
 

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Oops, George is 100% on the nail.........

The blaster I use is a member of the local Vintage car Clubs & his blasting operator has 20+ years experience & he uses fine sand, so we don't experience warped panels.

I kinda got used to this level of workmanship here, so yes, BEWARE incorrect blasting can ruin a bodyshell.

I concur with George - check & see if you are happy, get references, etc, etc & above all, try be there & see that you are satisfied wth the level of workmanship.

Ciao
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Nose Job.

I have friends that have bodyshops not toooooo far away from you that specialize in restorations. I have used both with my collectables with complete satisfaction. Gene Wendt owns Crown Point Classics in Hezelhurst, Wisconsin.
Skip McCabe owns McCabe Restorations in Mundelein, Illinois. Either of these shops can return the nose of your car to it's original shape correctly. They can also do as much or as little of the restoration as you wish. Neither use any blasting to remove 50 years of glop and mistakes. They use a water based stripper, and work on the car panel by panel. No surface hardening or distortion. I am not connected with either shop, but both have done work for me of the highest quality, without any severe wallet trama. If you want more information, send me a PM and we can discuss further.
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Sopp,

You should try and join the 750/101 Alfa group. You will find additional information. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/alfaromeo750-101. Graig, thank you for the vote of confidence, I might know a few thinks here and there, but I am not, or at least do not feel like an authority on the subject matter. Experts are always in trouble:rolleyes: Sopp, you should also consider Wolf Steel, he makes panels as well. I keep hearing that you need to still work the pannel an old friend who use to rebody car back in the days said that even when you used to get them from the factory, all hand made pannels needed additional work. Unless you are dealing with a stamped pannel I don't know if there are better results. All 1st series cars were hand put together and regardless of your options - you will have to modify. I try to email you later tonight when I get a chance. I shall wait what Museo Historico will have to say about your car. I still put my money on a mid to 58 somewhere March - May plus or minus.;)
 
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