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Would anyone here have a "MONTREAL" logo on the black vinyl (or leather?) ash tray lid covering of a Montreal? I'd be happy with a suitable after marked logo as long as it is similar to the original. I have read that these items were likely souvenirs that owners tended to keep along the way...

If you have one of these trinkets that you would like to see go to a good home, please PM me!

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"MONTREAL"

I recently purchased a few parts from Giorgio Penatti and included in the package he shipped were a couple of "b" emblems: I think it was his attempt at softening the blow of the cost ! They are about 30mm (1.25inches) high - one black and one silver plastic. I have mounted one on the fascia next to the air vent - image attached. Maybe you could try Giorgio.
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Yes Hanna! Please send that "MONTREAL" with all the labels you are shipping to me and I'll be very happy ;-). I have the same ashtray lid, just no black vinyl or chrome 'MONTREAL' as shown in your photo.

I did notice that Ward W's AutoDelta car had the two pieces of the ashtray 'lid and trim' riveted together (for lack of a better description). The ashtray lid that I have has no rivet marks so perhaps the car never had 'MONTREAL' on the ashtray?

It is possible that the previous long term owner Paul Severson still has the ashtray lid cover. Would anyone here know how to contact Paul?

Thanks Verde, I am very familiar with Giorgio and have his 12 page color e-brochure if anyone wants a copy just PM your email address to me. He has the 'b' that goes on the radio blank off plate but not the 'MONTREAL' that goes on the ashtray; I did already ask him. I also have Giorgio's "MONTREAL 8c" badging that goes on the rear of the car near where it says Alfa Romeo if anyone is interested in 'trade bait' for the MONTREAL ashtray cover. Would you please attach a photo of your car Verde; I guess the color to be the extremely rare Verde Metallizato? If so, I may have seen one in Bruce's books, with aftermarket basket weave wheels.

I also have Dirk and Hanna's parts offering that I would be happy to email as well, although I am sure Hanna would be more than happy to send if you ask her in a PM and give an email address.

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Hi Mark, this car was originally advertised on the BB. do a search, he probably listed his number in the ad. Also, check with Larry Dickman. I believe he rebuilt the motor, I'm not sure who the owner was at the time but he may have a number, or even the part your looking for. Good luck. Pete.
 

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Yes Hanna! Please send that "MONTREAL" with all the labels you are shipping to me and I'll be very happy ;-). I have the same ashtray lid, just no black vinyl or chrome 'MONTREAL' as shown in your photo.

I also have Dirk and Hanna's parts offering that I would be happy to email as well, although I am sure Hanna would be more than happy to send if you ask her in a PM and give an email address.

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Mark,
sentence 1: your envelope left 25th sept = to late. Sorry, no other script in reserve for you... :( mine you can't get - I LOVE it !!! Or you send 50.000 Euro, you pic up the car here and as an extra you get the installed luggage straps (they are most worth). Isn't it a really deal ?

sentence 2: :tt1::tt1::tt1::tt1::tt1:

Always here, if anything else (repros/help) needed.
See you later ...
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Honestly Hanna, at 50,000 Euro ($63,041.00), I believe that would be a really good deal but would you really sell her for that? Yesterday I looked in the classified section and saw a beautiful one family owned Orange Montreal with a brand new paint job that seemed to sell for way, way too cheap!
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/alfa-romeo-cars-sale-wanted/334130-1971-montreal.html
I believe Maurice in Arese may have gotten a great deal! Same thing for the Gold Montreal that AlfaStag sold a couple months ago to two guys in Sweden! Beautiful car...
Mark

PS. I just opened the mail we received yesterday and guess what...there is a bright green envelope with a bunch of beautiful Montreal stickers inside from Hanna! Amazingly good to make it from there (Germany) to the USA in only 5 days! (it did not get wet or ripped open either)...

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Hanna, et al,

There may be a bubble, or there may be a disconnect between the US and European markets. At this point we have four recent Montreal sales at auction over $90,000 USD. The one at Bonhams went for $99,000 including buyer's premium, and it was NOT a terribly nice car. The seller is probably still celebrating.

Perhaps the only four people in the US seeking a Montreal now have one, and any future sales will collapse back to where they were a few years ago. I suspect not. There is just too much liquidity in the market in the hands of those prone to collect, and smart collectors buy rare things. That includes Montreals.

Unless we have another world-wide blow up, I see these cars as holding their new range of values. 50k Euros is too cheap.
 

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Peter, you are right about contacting the previous owner. I tried sending an email but it went and never came back. I have known Larry with APE for 20 years. Jay Nuxoll was kind enough to let us both, along with several others, stay in his previous ALFA G'RAJ MAHAL during an Alfa convention.

I read in the listing that the engine had been rebuilt by "Laurence Dickman a Montreal Specialist" but did not make the connection to Larry with APE for several days. When I did I called him and we discussed the car and what had been done to it and our visit with the Nuxoll's. I believe that Larry rebuilt the motor for 'Dusty C. Motors' with all new engine parts that Paul had bought for the project.

Jay and his wife were great for putting up with us for the better part of a week! In those days They had a 9 or 10 bedroom house and most of his kids had moved out so we each had a room to call our own. It seems like Jay had two or three Montreals at one time, if I am not mistaken; in addition to all the other 2000/2600 cars in his collection.
Mark

I'll try to contact Paul again perhaps I get lucky this time.
 

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Mark, as a last resort if you can't source an OEM part, you might consider having someone 3D print a replica for you. I know that some of the Ferrari guys are doing this very thing for some of the rarer scripting on the outside of their cars. One of the guys on FerrariChat has a Ferrari 355 Challenge that was missing the "F355 Challenge" script on the rear deck lid and had a very nice replica 3D printed. Some 348 Challenge owners are talking about doing the same thing as the script went missing over the years as many of these cars were raced. Anyway, I have no idea what it'd cost, but you did mention willingness to pay "top $$$". That said, Ferrari 355s are worth less than #3 condition Montreals (or better) and the Ferrari 355 and 348 guys are a bit price sensitive.

This is a link to the 3D printed 355 Challenge script, though you might need to register on FChat to view it. If you register, you could contact the seller reg'd whom he used to do the printing.

[For Sale] 355 Challenge badge, 3D printed - FerrariChat.com

As a side note, the fact that a Montreal is now worth more than the absolutely beautiful Ferrari F355 (or a 550 Maranello for that matter) is a bit weird. At this point, I guess the Montreal is a "classic" while the Ferraris are just used cars.
 

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Hanna,

PS. I just opened the mail we received yesterday and guess what...there is a bright green envelope with a bunch of beautiful Montreal stickers inside from Hanna! Amazingly good to make it from there (Germany) to the USA in only 5 days! (it did not get wet or ripped open either)...

Mark
Well Mark, here in Germany are the clocks running different... The 50-55 thousend Euros cash are the aim for our car, when it must go for other priorities. Years I hear: Nehme's without a Montreal ? Pfff - no way ! Well when something changes in life you must know what is more needed. To sell our car would be terrible pain - yes ! When I must sell it and know it is in hands who know to like(love) this car like we did, it makes it a bit easier. But never say never. Our "hoping"price is quite realistic for Europe, many cars offered here - maybe in better or worse condition, this is subjectively. Our condition will be in German list #2. N° ONE is nearly not possible, but boring. The Montreal is a classic historic car - and a prototype what may have difficulties, differences between all cars and need not to be similar to the next. This is what makes the Monti so unique.

Right, a Ferrari is a using car. I know what I say ha ha. In the 70th when I worked on the Kurfuerstendamm in Berlin I met them every day. The most Ferrari and RR Silver Shadows were driven by Lawyers, Dentist and Playboys. Even today Dirk visit a lot of dentist who have Ferrari in garage or in glass vitrinas with miniatures in their ambulance or photos at the walls... BUT never a Montreal ! NOP.

Some weeks ago Dirk was at a dentist who saw Dirk's Alfa shirt - ah you drive Alfa? Dirk > yes since decades. Doc >me too, many different ones, what drive you now? A MONTREAL, 146 boxer, 156 2006. WOW, a Montreal ? this I ever missed unfortunately - perfect Oldtimer! I drive a 348, also not bad... Yes, but no Montreal. I am no fan of Ferrari: only 12 cyl in front...

Oops, my fingers typed quicker than Monti runs.
Thanx for feedback of envelope - my pleasure.

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The USPS delivered the "MONTREAL" in the mailbox yesterday so the car is all set, sort of.

Ashtray Montreal.jpg

The old lid had no insignia...

ASHTRAY LID BARE.jpg

The new lid has rivets on the inside for the accent piece:

ashtray with rivets on lid.jpg

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Mark, is your Montreal a late production car? I was reading through my "essential companion" tonight and noticed this pic and caption.
 

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Mark, is your Montreal a late production car? I was reading through my "essential companion" tonight and noticed this pic and caption.
Thanks Derek! Yes, that would definitely explain why there were no rivet holes in the ashtray lid. It is possible that the vinyl piece just came off without any rivets to hold it in place. The car was built in 1972 and titled as a 1973 and it has the early type stainless steel kick plates on the doors and the chrome and plastic type vent window cranks. I suspect the original owner may have kept the ashtray as a souvenir and perhaps when Alfa Romeo resold the car to Paul, a later model ashtray, with out logo, was sourced to cover the hole in the console. I wonder if other Italian cars used this same ashtray without the logo?

OKP now has the Montreal Ashtray listed along with a lot of other Montreal parts that I did not know they offered:
http://www.okp.de/xtc2/105-Montreal/65-Bodyparts/Doors/Gas-spring-rear-for-bonnet-Alfa-Romeo-Montreal::19975.html

Mark
 
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